#editorial | Logs for 2014-10-22

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[22:31:28] <blackmoore|afk> heading home.
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[21:55:31] <Blackmoore> ok i have work i need to wrap up .. i'll be lurking
[21:54:37] <Blackmoore> yeah.
[21:49:22] <nick> if you're poor, you wont get taken seriously, because you're poor, come back when you're rich and have proved yourself
[21:49:01] <nick> to change the system, you first have to be a success in the system which you seek to change
[21:48:51] <nick> but i think most societies have a degree of plutocracy in them
[21:47:09] <nick> i know that - in my soul too - but british society generally disagrees.
[21:46:43] <Blackmoore> of course most of our rich are really awful humansd
[21:46:16] <Blackmoore> yeah; I'll never really get that. I like knowing - in my soul - that that rich bastard isnt any better a human than I am.
[21:37:37] <nick> we do love our class system
[21:35:46] <nick> not part of the landed gentry
[21:35:29] <nick> even if i went to get into it, i'm sure my social status is far too low to get into the scene
[21:34:19] <nick> but will be a few hundred miles from where i'm at
[21:34:08] <nick> i believe there are some places in the UK it's possible to hunt deer
[21:33:56] <nick> yeah, very different environment there
[21:33:43] <Blackmoore> and he's just a teracher.
[21:33:31] <Blackmoore> US has a lot more space. i have a friend with 8 acres we can hunt on.
[21:33:09] <nick> only hunting ever talked about in this country is when the upper class don their gear and run around the countryside chasing foxes for sport
[21:32:58] <Blackmoore> no i dont expect it would be.
[21:32:45] <nick> i should go hunting one day, for food. but in the london suburbs, it's not even on the radar
[21:32:15] <nick> heh
[21:32:10] <Blackmoore> if i could hunt in the suburbs i'd bag plenty
[21:31:35] <Blackmoore> the Deer out here are our version of 200-400 lbs vermin
[21:31:12] <Blackmoore> well the farmed stuff is STUPID expensive compared to say chicken or beef
[21:31:06] <nick> almost 6' 200lb vermin.
[21:30:56] <nick> pretty much
[21:30:50] <nick> i can get venison, but it's not that great usually.
[21:30:38] <Blackmoore> yeah. if i understand kangaroo are treated as vermin
[21:30:32] <nick> im jealous
[21:30:10] <nick> kangaroo is poor people food there, the european immigrants dont eat it generally, at least the ones i was mixing with
[21:30:08] <Blackmoore> i can get farmed bison, venison, rabbit.. ostrich.. llamma
[21:29:35] <nick> weirdly, i never had kangaroo the whole time i was in aus
[21:29:24] <nick> heh
[21:29:08] <Blackmoore> I think i have - but here in the states it's kinda hard to prove
[21:28:49] <Blackmoore> Sadly i wont be hunting this year. would have rather liked some Deer.
[21:28:35] <nick> eaten kangaroo before, Blackmoore?
[21:28:11] <Blackmoore> mm..
[21:27:49] <nick> because why not
[21:27:44] <nick> i'll do some more stories in the next 2 or 3 hours, eating kangaroo steak right now
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[21:26:53] <Blackmoore> thanks for the help
[21:26:48] <Blackmoore> gnight
[21:25:30] <LaminatorX> G'night all.
[21:13:32] <Blackmoore> woot
[20:51:09] <Azrael> double green
[20:50:39] <Azrael> otherwise awesome
[20:49:32] <Azrael> capitalising 'P' on progress
[20:49:15] * Azrael 2nds
[20:47:17] <Blackmoore> i think i might be gettigng this?
[20:10:22] <Azrael> but now I read more.. is it possible the submission page is stripping the link somehow? 'cause fairly sure I copy pasted it intact...
[20:06:36] <Azrael> if it weas broken, clearly a stupid method!! thanks!!
[19:54:20] <mrcoolbp> (the "Related: LA Schools Halve..." link)
[19:53:54] <mrcoolbp> Azrael, what method did you use to copy the url for the article on the "L.A.'s iPad-Friendly School Superintendent Resigns" story? The link is messed up. I'll fix.
[19:52:59] <mrcoolbp> I didn't engage with him, just saw the comment this morningh
[19:32:47] <LaminatorX> Nice.
[19:31:19] <mrcoolbp> GungnirSniper made an appearence in the comments recently
[18:19:42] <LaminatorX> I've made contact with some of their old friends in the Catholic Worker movement during the Ferguson actions. Interesting times.
[18:18:51] <LaminatorX> It's been interesting to see the Liberation Theology types popping their heads up again. That's my parents' grad-school scene.
[18:17:18] <mattie_p> as a wrapper for some weed most likely
[18:17:13] <nick> while everyone underneath continues as normal
[18:17:06] <nick> but it could be a long con, showing how modern the catholic church is, by having the pope as a fairly liberal figurehead
[18:16:52] <LaminatorX> Either that or somebody passed around the gospels during the conclaive.
[18:16:41] <nick> well, the rest of the catholic church doesnt seem all that fond of what he's been saying
[18:16:17] <nick> mattie_p, seems to be the only logical conclusion
[18:15:47] <LaminatorX> Or caught it, depending.
[18:15:44] <mattie_p> Is the pope catholic? Apparently not
[18:15:24] <nick> the catholic church dropped the ball on that one it seems
[18:14:59] <nick> i cant believe he's the pope
[18:14:43] <LaminatorX> Except for the new Pope, that guy's a gem.
[18:14:26] <LaminatorX> "Why are none of the news networks going to commercial?" seldom has a happy answer.
[18:13:45] <LaminatorX> We just turned on the news here in the office. We noticed the creeping yellor pillars on our big board that mean commercial breaks being preempted.
[18:11:58] <Azrael> now greenified :D
[18:11:51] <Azrael> np :)
[18:10:18] <nick> thanks :D
[18:09:54] <Azrael> ok :)
[18:05:40] <nick> Azrael, can you look over the Canada shooting story i just pushed?
[18:05:12] * Azrael strokes his gold star, "My precious!"
[17:38:44] <nick> i had wishful thinking that janrinok was back, but yeah, Azrael and Bytram get gold stars.
[17:36:28] <LaminatorX> We'll all have our moments from time to time. Last week was a bit crazy as you and Jan both being out made for a bit of a perfect storm. It was good to see Azrael and Bytram step up.
[17:29:05] <nick> apologies for my absence again, LaminatorX. the work grind meant i didnt have the time or energy to even check SN.
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[16:14:21] <nick> but on most instances, i actually look forward to a comment or two that totally destroys TFS/TFA
[16:14:00] <nick> there are plenty of subjects i dont know enough about
[16:13:46] <Blackmoore> but i have no problem lobbing questions at that damn thing
[16:13:18] <Blackmoore> i feel that way with systemd.
[16:13:00] <nick> enjoy
[16:12:43] LaminatorX is now known as LaminatorX|out2lunch
[16:12:28] <LaminatorX> Alright, off to lunch. :)
[16:11:10] <LaminatorX> It's tricky, but I think men talking with eachother needs to be part of the solution as well.
[16:10:37] <nick> there's no other subject that makes me feel that way
[16:10:08] <nick> i just dont like touching them at all, being a guy i dont think you can ever win with it, especially something so important
[16:08:24] <LaminatorX> It reminds me of a "Towards a Feminist Music Theory" paper I read back in college. It included such dreck as asserting that women should make better organists since playing the organ uses the whole body and women are more in touch with their bodies. I think Rosenthall's response makes the story worthwhile though.
[16:07:59] <Blackmoore> i'll let the crowd decide that
[16:07:38] <Blackmoore> the source was chuck full of intellectulist BS and i think she'll make upper management with the kind of drivel. it really had no bearing on if her new language was going to be any better than anything else we have.
[16:05:52] <Blackmoore> i had thought about changing it to "desperate grad student looking for a thesis paper"
[16:05:12] <LaminatorX> Glad to. :) I go back and forth. On the one hand, we as a community are not well situated to handle such topics as well as I would like, OTOH, sticking out collective head in the sand lets that status quo remain unchallenged.
[16:04:22] <Blackmoore> good change LaminatorX - thanks
[16:03:47] <Blackmoore> nick; I guess I'll see what i can do with those in the future. i dont mind the flames.
[16:02:09] <nick> including the 'how to get women into coding' type ones
[16:01:41] * nick has run away from all the stories touching on feminism
[15:54:52] <LaminatorX> I've also changed a line in the Feminism story to make it less inflamitory.
[15:53:51] <Blackmoore> that's better.
[15:52:11] <Blackmoore> ah. good catch. ..
[15:46:40] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03Story Style
[15:46:40] <LaminatorX> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[15:45:39] <LaminatorX> That's all good, but the capitalization in the title is off and the first sentance doesn't end with punctuation.
[15:43:59] <Azrael> (no promises on that though)
[15:43:42] <Azrael> if you make it better you won't find submitters saying "waaa, he mademy submission better, waa waa"
[15:43:25] <Azrael> Blackmoore: replace it all, be brutal :)
[15:35:04] <Blackmoore> but I cant figure a way to work the link in a better way with out replacing all of what was sent in
[15:34:28] <Blackmoore> i dont like the look of the part that was submitted,
[15:34:00] <Blackmoore> well I pulled a snip from the acutal article after looking at the link.
[15:20:19] <Azrael> aha, now pulling most recent timestamp into submission edit page :)
[15:14:21] <LaminatorX> So, Blackmoore, tell me what needs fixed on the Xerox story.
[14:55:24] <nick> i still keep it in mind, but it doesnt seem to have the effect i would have assumed originally
[14:55:09] <nick> the more stories ive edited, the less it appears that the timing matters
[14:44:02] <LaminatorX> s/Eor/Eur
[14:43:12] <LaminatorX> Keep in mind also our trans-Atlantic community. If a story is particularly germaine to our Eoropean members, try not to run it when they're mostly in bed.
[14:37:36] <LaminatorX> brb
[14:36:58] <Blackmoore> ok.
[14:36:39] <LaminatorX> Sure.
[14:36:19] <Blackmoore> Would I be allowed to beat that into an article?
[14:35:39] <Blackmoore> which isnt a story - but really should be.
[14:35:33] <LaminatorX> Breaking news, esp security stuff can run immediately, regaurdless of subs or queue volume.
[14:35:26] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN Submission by cosurgi http://janek.kozicki.pl 03Looking for a mathematical proof?
[14:35:26] <Blackmoore> the other thing i find missing is a way to handle cases like https://soylentnews.org
[14:34:35] <Blackmoore> that makes sense. fortunately we have a double check to the process so that can be adjusted.
[14:34:31] <Azrael> and sometimes I do stupid times because my brain doesn't work and janrinok goes in and fixes the spacing for me :)
[14:33:38] <LaminatorX> Our general guideline for timing is to flex in response to submission volume. When we're overflowing, 1/hour, when we're <10 more like 1/3hours, with 90-120 minutes being the norm. We also slow doen a bit overnight and on the weekends when traffic is lower.
[14:28:31] <Blackmoore> because on dev ; the time hardly matters
[14:28:12] <Blackmoore> i didnt even realize that it wasnt doing it untill i accepted articles yesterday
[14:27:59] <LaminatorX> I usually bounce between two tabs.
[14:27:36] <Blackmoore> but again very MINOR headache
[14:27:11] <Blackmoore> :) well the other possible option is to have slash look at the queue and fillin a time one our after the last article in the queue
[14:26:38] <LaminatorX> It's a usability headache for us, but was less prominently so for them.
[14:26:01] <LaminatorX> Historically speaking, I get the impression that /. did far less advance queueing than we do, which makes sense given that they had people working full time on running the site.
[14:24:53] <LaminatorX> I believe the answer is, "Because it's always been that way."
[14:21:59] <Azrael> I reckon I could fix that for myself by further tweaking my greaemonkey script... hmm.. nice idea thanks!
[14:21:13] <Azrael> yeah, that's annoying :)
[14:13:05] <Blackmoore> i still need to look at stories to get that detail
[14:12:32] <NetCraft> ^ 03SoylentNews Submissions
[14:12:32] <Blackmoore> if i'm at the sumbissons page http://soylentnews.org
[14:11:59] <Blackmoore> yeah. several but i want to start with - why do i have to look at a different page to see what time the newest entry in the queue is going to run
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[13:56:19] <LaminatorX> So, Blackmoore, do you have any questions about the editor interface?
[13:39:55] <NetCraft> ^ 03It was Tuesday - Street Fighter 1994 - YouTube
[13:39:55] <LaminatorX> Best Tuesday ever: https://www.youtube.com
[13:39:15] <Blackmoore> yeah. i would rather be in bed sick than here at the office.
[13:26:28] <paulej72> there are worse things to do on a Tuesday :)
[13:23:59] <LaminatorX> I spent yesterday having quality time with a pillow and cold medicine.
[13:23:19] <LaminatorX> I assumed as much, thanks.
[13:23:00] <paulej72> LaminatorX: I setup Blackmoore with ed privs on production yester per your note here.
[13:21:45] <LaminatorX> Blackmoore, Subsentiant, you guys around?
[13:21:00] <LaminatorX> Headline capitalization is actually the thing I most often fix, which I suppose is not the worst problem we could have.
[13:19:52] <Azrael> w00t, thanks :)
[13:19:40] <LaminatorX> Indeed so. Go team.
[13:19:27] <Azrael> LaminatorX: do I have you to thank for correcting my 'l' in launch? :)
[13:19:08] <Azrael> hey hey
[13:16:46] <LaminatorX> Hello all.
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