#editorial | Logs for 2014-07-25

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[23:11:29] <mrcoolbp> oh, he's not here = (
[23:08:58] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: only here for a bit, gotta run back out, shall I unlock a page for mr Bytram?
[23:08:26] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: looks like I missed Bytram
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[15:37:28] <Bytram|afk> afk
[15:37:24] <Bytram|afk> Woods: LOL! thaks!
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[15:32:12] * Woods cues the laugh track
[15:31:26] <Woods> Bytram: Edited department to read "fffix-mmy-kkkys-ppppplas"
[15:28:50] <Bytram> made a little tweak to emphasize desire for a lighter touch to the keyboard
[15:14:53] <Bytram> tnks again! cyal8r
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[15:14:37] <janrinok> np
[15:14:26] <Bytram> janrinok: I see you put it in and updated the time; MUCH obliged!
[15:14:07] * Bytram reserves the right for a quick looksee before it goes live. =)
[15:13:52] <Bytram> as much as I'd like to 2nd edit it, I'll let someone else take the reins on that one.
[15:13:40] <janrinok> gtg - bbl - 2 hours'ish
[15:12:55] <janrinok> the truth is often funny - but hurts...
[15:12:36] <Bytram> ah, thanks for the laugh! You're QUICK!
[15:12:24] <Bytram> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:12:18] <janrinok> you mean like I usually type?
[15:11:57] * Bytram is thinking it would be a real hoot if he selected a letter and doubled every occurence of THAT one; selected a different letter, and REMOVED all occurences of it. then pose a puzzle to the readers to figure out which is which.
[15:11:39] <janrinok> you can 2nd ed it if you wish!
[15:10:43] <Bytram> I'm open to suggestions; that's what first came to mind
[15:10:31] <janrinok> OK lol
[15:10:30] <Bytram> idk
[15:10:20] <Bytram> janrinok: fffix-mmmy-kkkeys-ppplease
[15:09:54] <Azrael> ???
[15:09:37] <janrinok> do you have a preferred Dept? something witty, perhaps?
[15:09:05] <Bytram> would actually prefer: 17:54 but that's Azrael's
[15:08:33] <janrinok> lol
[15:08:25] <Bytram> please.
[15:08:22] <Bytram> 21:01
[15:08:13] <Bytram> s; got distracted.
[15:07:58] <janrinok> Bytram: pick a time please
[15:07:35] <Bytram> s/ative/acitive/
[15:07:20] * Bytram liked the capative ones!
[15:07:12] <Bytram> funny thing is that the Model M's have a *membrane* pad under the keyswitches.
[15:06:55] <janrinok> lol - hi LaminatorX
[15:06:52] <Bytram> LOL!
[15:06:45] * LaminatorX is adjusting to the concept of a world where new Model M's are available.
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[15:06:27] <Bytram> .deop
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[15:06:21] <Bytram> .op
[15:06:04] <janrinok> certainly - when would you like it to go out - name the story you want to replace rather than confuse each other with tz
[15:05:40] <Bytram> janrinok: s/grass/lawn/
[15:05:28] <Bytram> as I'm not supposed to approve my own stories, would you please be so kind as to do the honors?
[15:05:08] <janrinok> Somebody will complain about the standard of editors, not checking our work, when he was young...., get off my grass!
[15:05:07] <Bytram> I appreciate the offer on swapping story slots with you.
[15:04:34] <Bytram> =)
[15:04:31] <Bytram> thought I'd add it for *dramatic effect*
[15:04:01] <janrinok> move one of mine and put yours in its place if you wish - I bet someone complains about the spelling (although I _understand_ why you have done it!)
[15:03:05] <Bytram> I know it's kind of late in the day, but I suspect it would spark a LOT of discussion if we could run it early this afternoon; nice way to wind up the week, so to speak/write.
[15:02:49] <janrinok> looking
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[15:02:21] <monopoly> ^ 04SN Submission by martyb 03Computer Keyboard Recommendations?
[15:02:20] <Bytram> FYI: I just put up a story submission: http://soylentnews.org
[14:59:26] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:59:17] <janrinok> The important thing is the get the documents, procedures and policy in print - we can worry more about the aesthetics later.
[14:59:07] <Bytram> janrinok: try some! edit the doc, put in a '===' after a couple of the headings, and see what matches up.
[14:58:14] <janrinok> yep - but I'm not sure which <h?> applies to === level
[14:58:01] <Bytram> emacs SGML mode FTW
[14:57:51] <Bytram> much less *thinking* for me in HTML!
[14:57:36] <Bytram> they may appear to be overly large or extra bold because of the header level that I used?
[14:57:29] <janrinok> Much less typing in wiki-markup
[14:57:01] <janrinok> Actually - it does. The Headings are not in the same style but that is being super-picky!
[14:56:56] <Bytram> KISS!
[14:56:12] <janrinok> I see that you've kept most of the HTML - the other docs use wiki markup but I don't suppose it will make any difference in appearence.
[14:54:41] <janrinok> I can't find any typos!
[14:54:17] <Bytram> exatly!
[14:54:09] <janrinok> exactly - I've done some work on Policy, but it still requires work by others and then opening up for general comments.
[14:53:57] <Bytram> =)
[14:53:53] <Bytram> I *expect* there will be questions/refinements
[14:53:29] <Bytram> I had gotten to a point where there was too much stuff spinning around in my head and I needed to get it down in writing so another set of eyes could look it over.
[14:52:46] <janrinok> thx
[14:52:41] <Bytram> yes.
[14:52:38] <Bytram> ys.
[14:52:32] <janrinok> Point of clarity - only Board members can vote, but can any observer speak if given the Floor?
[14:52:20] <Bytram> janrinok: thanks for your help! Just needed to have someone looking over my shoulder in case I went too far off-course... wouldn't have been able to do it alone.
[14:51:31] <janrinok> excellent!
[14:50:52] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Board Meetings Rules of Order: This is first DRAFT of a guide to running Board Meetings of SoylentNews PBC.
[14:50:51] <Bytram> janrinok: take a look at it now. http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[14:47:52] <janrinok> Suggestion: Rename your 'Contents' to read 'Sequence of Actions' to prevent confusion with the contents at the top of the page?
[14:44:20] <Bytram> janrinok: I think I've got it figured out... give me a few minutes
[14:42:52] <janrinok> brb too much tea!
[14:42:36] <janrinok> ...if I'm following what you are trying to achieve.
[14:41:32] <janrinok> If you just use a lower header i.e. === Call to Order === it will do it all automagically.
[14:40:57] <Bytram> brb too much coffee
[14:40:51] <Bytram> I've got it figured out; I have the IDs for a target, I just (!) need to make links to them...
[14:40:04] <janrinok> Do you mean ' 1. Call to Order etc should link to somewhere else?
[14:39:00] <Bytram> I'm thinking that each thing under 1.3 contents should be a link to the corresponding place in the doc
[14:38:57] <janrinok> what would you like it to do that it doesn't do yet?
[14:38:38] <Bytram> umm, I see what you saw... I still have work to do.
[14:37:47] <janrinok> I think that we were talking at cross-purposes
[14:37:19] <janrinok> try it
[14:37:15] <Bytram> no?!!!! really?
[14:36:44] <janrinok> You do know that all the titles in your Contents are _already_ internal links - try clicking on one...
[14:35:31] <janrinok> understood
[14:35:11] <Bytram> kinda busy atm... will check later
[14:34:42] <janrinok> HTML tags
[14:34:19] <janrinok> down on the Help:Formatting page
[14:33:28] <Bytram> hmm?
[14:33:05] <janrinok> I followed a few random links while you were editing and found a whole load of HTML bits and pieces...
[14:32:21] <Bytram> notice how I said it *looks* like... =)
[14:32:11] <janrinok> lol
[14:32:06] <Bytram> in *theory*
[14:31:54] <janrinok> So you are a happy boy now!
[14:31:39] <Bytram> oh. It looks like it uses standard html ID's and HREFs
[14:26:16] * Bytram heads to the help page
[14:26:00] <janrinok> see my line above yours
[14:25:48] <Bytram> okay, I think I've cleaned out any HTML elements that displayed.
[14:17:31] <janrinok> as above then 'Internal link to an anchor'
[14:17:02] <Bytram> let me clean out the leftover HTML markup. back in a bit
[14:16:43] <Bytram> I want item #1 to go to the subsection with the same title (ooops - gotta fix that), item #2 to the matching subssection, etc. all within *this* document
[14:16:30] <janrinok> Help - Formatting -Links - Internal links
[14:15:58] <Bytram> Call to Order / Open the meeting
[14:15:58] <Bytram> yup. for example, where it has: These are the primary steps of running a board meeting:
[14:15:28] <janrinok> internal page links?
[14:15:25] <Bytram> let me clean up the extraneous html markup, first. brb
[14:15:09] <Bytram> one thing that I'll need help on is making links from the items in the "Contents" section to each of the subsections referenced
[14:14:56] <janrinok> Yep - but I didn't know whether it would or not....
[14:14:38] <Bytram> Must say I was pleasantly surprised, but it makes sense that a wiki should be able to help take in plain html and make it somewhat presentable for getting things started on a site.
[14:14:05] <janrinok> take out all the <p>, a CRLF starts a new para.
[14:13:33] <janrinok> Looks good for HTML - brilliant!
[14:13:16] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Board Meetings Rules of Order: &<p class="p1">This document lays out guidelines for conducting Board Meetings of SoylentNews PBC. Its intent is to facilitate an open and efficient meeting whereby input is solicited and decisions can be made in a cordial and effective ...
[14:13:15] <Bytram> take a look: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[14:12:37] <Bytram> Huh! Not too bad! I'm going to save it as is.
[14:12:34] <janrinok> yep that worked - now 'edit this page'
[14:11:51] <Bytram> I'm just gonna try putting in what I have and see what happens; cross your fingers!
[14:11:35] <Bytram> thanks
[14:11:30] <janrinok> Ah OK, not where I was looking but a good place!
[14:11:00] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Board Meetings Rules of Order: There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs, but you do not have permission to create this page. ( http://wiki.soylentnews.org )
[14:10:59] <Bytram> I now have a link to a new page: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[14:10:45] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03SoylentNews Policy Document: Parent:Useful_Links
[14:10:44] <Bytram> janrinok: ok, I think I got it: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[14:10:09] <Bytram> almost done, hold on
[14:08:19] <janrinok> [[link_to_your_page|Link To Your Page]] is the link format
[14:07:36] <janrinok> You are going to create a new page, so you can put it where you like - the end of the doc I suggest. Because all you will add to this page is a link
[14:06:42] <Bytram> Under "Organization > The Board" I should click [edit] to insert a new link there?
[14:06:16] <janrinok> go ahead
[14:06:10] <Bytram> nograb
[14:06:08] <Bytram> I'll poke if you will watch?
[14:05:53] <janrinok> Do you want me to start you off or would you rather do it yourself and learn by poking around?
[14:05:24] <janrinok> Yep, that's one of mine and not locked.
[14:04:59] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03SoylentNews Policy Document: Parent:Useful_Links
[14:04:58] <Bytram> looks like I might be able to put a link here: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[14:04:56] <janrinok> Put it in Editorial if you want for the time being Bytram
[14:04:44] <Bytram> thanks for the confirmation!
[14:04:29] <janrinok> Yep - he's locked it. Pick any page to start with that is not locked - it is easy to move the document later when you make contact with mrcoolbp
[14:02:20] <janrinok> I have IRC and rss-bot running all day on a secondary box.....
[14:01:36] <Bytram> k, thanks!
[14:01:27] <janrinok> mrcoolb was working on that, but I don't think it was locked last time I looked. Hang on - I'm just firing up my main box
[14:00:59] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03SoylentNews PBC Board of Directors: The Board of Directors of SoylentNews PBC (the "Corporation") has general responsibility for the Corporation. The Board derives its powers from the Bylaws of the Corporation, Article III ("Directors"), Section 1 ("Powers"):
[14:00:40] <Bytram> that helps! I found a place to put it, but the page might be locked? http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[14:00:30] <janrinok> Don't use the Page Title - that will be the page you link from, i.e. the page above yours.
[13:59:44] <janrinok> Pick the page which will be _above_ yours. Begin to edit it and add a link - The link will be red because it doesn't exist yet. Goto the link (blank page) and start typing!
[13:59:06] <Bytram> yup. am pretty handy with emacs macros,too.
[13:58:42] <janrinok> so I suppose you could regex all the <h1> to == etc
[13:58:29] * Bytram is trying to find a place to put the document atm
[13:58:14] <Bytram> oh boy. :/
[13:57:52] <janrinok> Bytram: its simple things like =Page Title=, == Header 1 ==, === Header Type 2 ===, etc
[13:55:38] <Bytram> janrinok: nod nod; thanks!
[13:55:31] * Bytram heads to the help page
[13:55:23] <janrinok> If in doubt, throw it at a page and give me a call.
[13:55:22] <Bytram> I'm pretty handy at transmogrifying documents, just need to get used to the vagaries of wiki-formatting, I guess.
[13:55:07] <janrinok> The markup for the wiki is very simple - once you've used it once or twice.
[13:54:40] <janrinok> But I wouldn't think it would like it - you will have to remove a lot of HTML removal
[13:54:31] <Bytram> sometimes I need to be pointed to the obvious... THANKS!
[13:54:06] <janrinok> Seriously, not trying to be rude, have a look at the Help - Formatting and then you can judge what it might do to your HTML.
[13:53:41] <Bytram> s/now/know/
[13:53:35] * Bytram would think it would now how to translate?
[13:53:18] <janrinok> Basically, it just wants text thrown at it, with a bit of markup for headings etc - but not HTML markup!
[13:53:05] <Bytram> want to put it up on the wiki, but have no idea of what kind of things it'll mangle
[13:52:42] <janrinok> That's a pity......
[13:52:28] <Bytram> I've got an HTML doc with a draft set of rules for running a board meeting.
[13:52:12] <janrinok> wiki-fu is OK'ish
[13:52:09] <Bytram> a bit, but also trying to catch up on some old stuff, too
[13:51:54] <janrinok> Bytram: hi - how's it going - still UTF-8'ing?
[13:51:45] <Bytram> janrinok: hey, how's your wiki-fu?
[13:51:23] <Bytram> janrinok: hi!
[13:50:44] <janrinok> hi guys
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[13:18:00] <Bytram> flattered by the appelation, but forgive my memory, what did I do?
[13:17:30] <Bytram> lol
[13:17:13] <Woods> Yesterday you left minutes before it went live.
[13:16:28] <Woods> Department. :P
[13:16:17] <Bytram> Woods: ummm, I looked at it... is there something special I should be seeing?
[13:15:18] <monopoly> ^ 04SN article 03 What's the Appeal of Playing 'Mundane' Simulator Games? 04(26 comments):
[13:14:58] <Woods> Bytram: https://soylentnews.org
[13:13:26] <monopoly> ^ 03Software provides a clear overview in long documents ( http://phys.org )
[13:13:07] <Bytram> http://phys.org
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[09:02:09] <Azrael> janrinok|afk: howdy :)
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