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[23:37:09] <Bytram> riiiiightt. no way someone could have run down the battery waiting for the plane to board, no?
[23:35:10] <chromas> Well obviously if it doesn't power up then it's a bomb in disguise
[23:33:34] <monopoly> ^ 03US bans uncharged cell phones, laptops from some flights - CNET: The Transport Security Administration says that security has been stepped up on certain flights into the US. This includes asking passengers to power up their devices. ( http://www.cnet.com )
[23:33:33] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
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[22:21:16] <Bytram> there's lots of things that I can no longer not notice.
[22:20:24] * Bytram spent *many* years testing/verifying documentation and programs/compilers/OSs
[22:19:49] <chromas> make it inciteful: "the state that brought you Metro and ribbons"
[22:19:44] <Bytram> LOL!
[22:19:13] <BlackHole> luckily we have several hours to figure this out ;)
[22:18:54] <BlackHole> ...maybe it should be "the State of Washington's", after all...
[22:17:37] <Bytram> tadah!
[22:17:35] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Washington (state: Other reasons this message may be displayed:
[22:17:33] <Bytram> I got it! I'll use *just* "Washington", but make it a link to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org(state)
[22:15:17] <Bytram> lol. nah; political term (as opposed to one running in a particular District)
[22:14:35] <chromas> "at-large"? Like they robbed a bank and are on the run?
[22:14:12] <chromas> "D.C. residents elect a non-voting, at-large congressional delegate to the U.S. House of Representatives but the District has no representation in the U.S. Senate. The District receives three electoral votes in presidential elections as permitted by the Twenty-third Amendment to the United States Constitution, ratified in 1961."
[22:13:41] * Bytram has a very slow internet connection today.
[22:13:18] <Bytram> do DC residents vote for the delegate?
[22:12:22] <chromas> WP says they have a non-voting delegate
[22:12:08] <Bytram> so, if there's no congressional district for DC, then there's no confusion.
[22:11:12] <Bytram> lol!
[22:11:06] <chromas> Just bribes
[22:10:50] <Bytram> chromas: IIRC, DC does NOT have a vote in congress... right?
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[22:09:35] <BlackHole> janrinok, goodnight!
[22:09:08] <janrinok> np - its what we do!
[22:08:56] <Bytram> thanksa bunch for keeping stories flowing this WE!
[22:08:43] <janrinok> laters guys, have a good one!
[22:08:17] <Bytram> janrinok: LOL!
[22:08:07] <Bytram> btw, I think "may" in the title of the chocolate story should probably be capitalized,
[22:07:26] <janrinok> Gosh, is that the time, I must be going.... Seriously guys, time for my much needed beauty sleep. I don't think the sleep actually helps, but I frightened to find out what I might actually look like if I stop...
[22:07:18] <BlackHole> btw, to let you guys in on the next step towards world domination: once we get a response from this candidate, we approach his opponent, who will then need to engage with us to avoid being seen to be evasive. so, whoever wins, SN wins!
[22:06:07] * janrinok steps backwards away from potential bloodbath.
[22:06:06] <chromas> SirFinkus would be a better one to ask
[22:05:58] <chromas> Yeah. We just call it Washington but I don't know a lot of people
[22:05:14] <Bytram> chromas: are you from WA?
[22:04:47] <Bytram> hire politicians?
[22:04:43] <chromas> oh wait a minute there
[22:04:31] <chromas> We brought you Nirvana and Microsoft. What did that dinky town ever do?
[22:04:18] * janrinok notes that why Bytram likes the UTF-8 problem. His logical mind quickly cuts through the unessential to accurately spear the main point.
[22:03:56] <Bytram> LOL!!
[22:03:45] <chromas> Just say "The good Washington" :D
[22:03:24] <BlackHole> whatever you think will minimize the number of "wait, are we talking about washington state or washington D.C.?" comments.
[22:03:11] <janrinok> rofl
[22:03:00] <Bytram> janrinok: Oh, *that* is simple, just send out when most of the people are awake: Daytime!
[22:02:53] <janrinok> Yeah, I noticed that - as if they aren't too sure either....
[22:02:34] <BlackHole> on the official homepage of Washington (the state) it uses almost all of the possible word orders and capitalizatioins o_O
[22:02:09] <janrinok> Bytram: 50 % of the world will be asleep or elsewhere no matter what time we pick....
[22:01:58] <Bytram> Although its official, unambiguous name is "The State of Washington," the state's name is often reversed and referred to as "Washington state" to distinguish it from Washington, D.C., also named for George Washington.
[22:01:52] <BlackHole> hi! Awesome! btw, i have no idea which capitalization is best :P, so good luck with that!
[22:01:49] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Washington (state): Washington i/ˈwɒʃɪŋtən/ is a state in the Pacific Northwest region of the United States located north of Oregon, west of Idaho, and south of the Canadian provin...
[22:01:48] <Bytram> okay, finally loaded. According to wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org
[22:01:19] <Bytram> yeah, i'm not so sure... I'm on the opposite side of the country from it...
[22:01:17] <janrinok> hi BlackHole - your story is queued for primetime tomorrow - 1200UTC
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[21:58:25] <janrinok> Bytram: your call - you know more about what sounds best to your own folk than we do.
[21:58:23] <Bytram> brb food!
[21:56:04] <janrinok> The link does suggest that it is a safe D seat, and that our follower is R, so perhaps he won't get too far unfortunately.
[21:55:24] <Bytram> yeah, but he *is* from the USA, so it'd make sense to phrase it in a way that merican's would expect, no?
[21:54:30] <Bytram> off-hand, I can't think of any other state for which there is such possible confusion
[21:54:26] <janrinok> yep - but the link makes it clear, at least to us Brits ;)
[21:54:03] <Bytram> it's a bit of a strange one from the possible confusion of "Washington" by itself being unclear whether it's the state or the District of Columbia (aka D.C.)
[21:53:07] <janrinok> It was written by a fellow Murican, by the way.
[21:52:42] <Bytram> lemme think a bit more
[21:52:13] <janrinok> If you think that it would be better for the US audience, ok - but to us it looks quite normal.
[21:51:27] <Bytram> nod nod
[21:51:19] <Bytram> btw, you'd not know it from over there, but "Washington State's" is somewhat strange capitalization for us yanks... I'd like to change it to "the state of Washington's"
[21:50:49] <janrinok> I only hope that he makes it into Congress. He seems (at this early stage in his potential congressional career) to be talking commonsense.
[21:49:58] <Bytram> THAT would be interesting! Maybe someone should submit this story (after it runs) to other sites such as Ars Technica and TOS (The Other Site; The Original Slash, whatevah!)
[21:48:52] <janrinok> lol - I wonder if the other site are covering the story in quite the same way?
[21:48:32] <Bytram> janrinok: that's great news!
[21:44:42] <Bytram> thanks!
[21:44:36] <Bytram> on my way
[21:44:27] <janrinok> Its in the story queue for 1230UTC tomorrow. Read it!
[21:42:17] <Bytram> ok, what did I miss? "high-profile recognition of the site?"
[21:42:00] <Bytram> huh?
[21:41:54] <Bytram> I'm back.
[21:38:25] <janrinok> NC will be pleased with his weekend too - Incorporation and high profile recognition of the site, he will be like a dog with 2 tails.
[21:37:22] <Azrael> :)
[21:32:19] <janrinok> Azrael: I suspect that the US Congressional Candidate story will gather a few good comments, and I also think that NC will be pleased to see it!
[21:25:43] <janrinok> time for my last cup of tea of the day... brb
[21:24:44] <janrinok> That's been a good output for a weekend - and we actually had a good number of acceptable submissions, which is also nice for a change.
[21:23:15] <janrinok> life's like that....
[21:22:21] <Azrael> well I know one Murican that didn't :/
[21:22:04] <Azrael> :D done
[21:19:58] <janrinok> Azrael: Thx also for your efforts this weekend - I hope that the 'Muricans' have enjoyed their holiday.
[21:18:37] <janrinok> Azrael: if you would be so kind....
[21:14:35] <Bytram> brb
[21:13:05] <Azrael> and am around to 2nd ed too :D
[21:11:55] <Azrael> cool :)
[21:09:53] <janrinok> Az I've moved it - I'll go do another to fill the gap.
[21:09:17] <Bytram> no offense taken; it's nice to know there are enough folks around to be able to cover things... I took advantage of it, and probably should have made it explicit - I apologize for not being more forthright about it!
[21:08:40] <janrinok> I'll do it, and put a filler story in there. If you give me 15 mins you can 2nd ed it please?
[21:08:12] <janrinok> np - I wasn't criticising your absence...
[21:08:08] <Azrael> janrinok: want to change the time on it then?
[21:07:55] <janrinok> I've being doing some python programming today but have spent too much time on here to achieve what I wanted to achieve...
[21:07:48] <Bytram> I saw you folks were holding down the fort all right and I pressed forward on UTF-8 test development
[21:07:23] * Bytram needs more hours in the day
[21:06:46] <janrinok> its been mostly 'Yurpean' eds for the last 72hours
[21:06:45] <Bytram> spent WAYYY too much time working on UTF-8 testing, though. Needs to get out and enjoy the warm and sun!
[21:06:23] <Bytram> so far, yep!
[21:05:45] <janrinok> had a good holiday weekend?
[21:05:36] <Bytram> greetings!
[21:05:24] <janrinok> Bytram: Hi
[21:05:16] <janrinok> Azrael: ^^^
[21:04:41] <janrinok> I should have tagged the story - its my fault because I forgot to do so.
[21:03:58] <janrinok> Hi Az, we were saving that supportive congressman story until more people would be online which would be about 1200 UTC. As it is it is too early for Europe and too late for the US.
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[20:57:58] <Azrael> I am here
[20:57:54] <Azrael> janrinok: evening!
[20:43:14] <janrinok> Azrael: are you on?
[20:41:48] <janrinok> hi anyone
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[16:30:32] <BlackHole> bye bye :)
[16:30:21] <janrinok> thx will do. cul8r
[16:30:16] <BlackHole> otherwise, have a good day, and enjoy your fish!
[16:30:02] <BlackHole> cool! feel free to give me a shout if you need anything from me regarding that story (i think mrcool was thinking of drafting an email to the candidate to make sure he notices it.)
[16:29:08] <janrinok> enjoy the rest of your day - say hello to the cells from me. I'll be back on tomorrow I guess.
[16:28:34] <BlackHole> ok. nope they are my responsibility. i have been procrastinating (if you couldn't tell), and should go tend to them :)
[16:27:58] <janrinok> I'm going to have to do soon to start preparing the fish for dinner. Again, thx for your company and a very interesting afternoon chatting. I hope the cells are somebody else's responsibility today - you took care of them yesterday!
[16:26:21] <janrinok> lol
[16:26:14] <BlackHole> nope, in fact, plaster might help increase your grip!
[16:25:59] <janrinok> ...might have to wait a few months then.
[16:25:39] <janrinok> Do you need all of your fingers to be working...?
[16:25:17] <BlackHole> there is a great community of telescope enthusiasts who actually grind and polish their own mirrors. now that takes patience! (and probably builds a good deal of upper-body strength)
[16:25:08] <janrinok> I wouldn't be able to look at the stars, but if I could even look at a point a few 100s of metres away and magnify it I would be made up!
[16:24:16] <janrinok> That would be more within my usual capabilities - but nowhere near as much fun.
[16:24:01] <BlackHole> *500 nanometers or so for visible light.
[16:23:36] <BlackHole> hmm. the trick is getting the surface roughness below the wavelength of light (say 500 nanometers or so). you could build a radio telescope. maybe far-infrared :)
[16:22:36] <janrinok> I know that, but I might be able to find a mirror spray paint and a suitable membrane. Just for the lulz, so to speak.
[16:22:06] <BlackHole> perhaps we can lobby our eventual many friends in high places to increase funding for space exploration =)
[16:21:25] <BlackHole> jk. tinfoil will definitely not work. lol!
[16:20:58] <janrinok> If I get some spare time (if?!) I might even play with that idea.
[16:20:12] <BlackHole> i'm sure tinfoil will work too.
[16:19:49] * janrinok looks in junk box for a mirrored membrane..... :(
[16:19:49] <BlackHole> i think it is such a shame that more effort/funding isn't devoted to space exploration.
[16:19:04] <BlackHole> yeah, it's super awesome. lol!
[16:18:44] <janrinok> That looks very cool!
[16:17:24] <BlackHole> not sure why monopoly choked on that one!
[16:17:23] <janrinok> your link works for me thx
[16:17:11] <BlackHole> =)
[16:16:51] <monopoly> ^ 03Error 401 (Unauthorized)!!1
[16:16:50] <BlackHole> i even patented the design: https://www.google.com
[16:16:29] <janrinok> I haven't got a telescope and it is not high on our list of priorities unfortunately. Perhaps in the future sometime....
[16:15:49] <BlackHole> and the andromeda galaxy, which you can just make out with the naked eye, is also quite amazing to contemplate.
[16:14:59] <BlackHole> i once built a telescope. i remeber imaging the ring nebula for the first time. it was really incredible to do the long exposures with the different filters, and see something so beautiful that is not visible to the naked eye.
[16:14:42] <janrinok> over 2 or 3 nights it is spectacular providing cloud cover is OK. When my young nieces first saw it several years ago, they were literally struck dumb at the display.
[16:13:40] <BlackHole> nice!
[16:13:32] <janrinok> The shower of persides (sp?) is due in a month or so!
[16:13:22] <BlackHole> i think they reconciled their differences once the man sobered up :)
[16:13:08] <BlackHole> that sounds great! have you every seen a metor shower? do you have a telescope (if not, you should get one!)
[16:13:00] <janrinok> Was the duck arrested?
[16:12:18] <janrinok> We have a ver low level of light polution, especially after 2200hrs when all unnecessary street lighting is switched off. The nearest lights are about 500m at a roundabout, but cannot be seen directly from my home. Lying on my back in the garden with a nice drink is a great way to stargaze.
[16:12:01] <BlackHole> hah! that reminds me of a story i saw on the local news when i was visiting my grandparents in Albuquerque. apparently a local man was arrested for shooting at a duck with a pellet gun, after the duck had "stolen" his wallet.
[16:10:37] <janrinok> 'solved' the crime and he was fined 50 euros or something...
[16:10:18] <janrinok> The biggest crime to hit the papers here (seriously!) was a lawn-mower being 'stolen' and subsequently found outside the home the drunk that took it. The Gendarmerie 'so
[16:10:10] <BlackHole> that is another of my many passions (hence the nickname) =)
[16:09:48] <BlackHole> you must be in an amazing location for stargazing!
[16:09:06] <janrinok> We are also very close to the coast and between 2 reasonably-sized towns.
[16:08:57] <BlackHole> wow. yes, i think that the number of shootings in the city here was down slightly from last year, which everyone sees as great progress :) quite a different attitude toward life, i think.
[16:07:51] <janrinok> Actually it is, but we are only a few hundred metres from a main road. But it is the sort of place where you can sleep without having to lock your front door, everyone looks out for each other, and we all stop to say hello to each other whenever we meet.
[16:07:45] <BlackHole> i am not a fan of urban life. sadly, it is a necessity of my work, currently, but some day i hope to escape from the city :)
[16:06:32] <BlackHole> very nice. it sounds quite peaceful.
[16:06:05] <janrinok> I live in a very rural area. A traffic jam here is 2 cars meeting on the road, or a car following a tractor....
[16:05:13] <BlackHole> Hah!
[16:04:54] <janrinok> I even try to get excited about Bastille Day (14 July) when France has its version of your Independence Day. Then someone will ask why we still put up with the Queen, and why don't we become a republic like France. Nah, I'll stay at home a have a beer to celebrate!
[16:04:18] <BlackHole> the only negative aspect of my previously mentioned bike tour (i have taken several around Europe) is being in a peloton of tourists.
[16:03:07] <BlackHole> i would want to do the same, i think.
[16:02:32] <janrinok> Some but we arrived here not wanting to be part of the expat community. We _do_ try to do things the local way, wherever we are.
[16:02:20] <BlackHole> ...or made much worse. one or the other.
[16:02:08] <BlackHole> just open another bottle of wine. problem solved.
[16:01:50] <janrinok> lovely people until the after dinner argument beings....
[16:01:42] <BlackHole> aren't there any other ex-pats in the area? there must be, i would think.
[16:01:25] <BlackHole> lol!
[16:00:56] <janrinok> you can probably see by my views why having a small social circle here isn't much of a handicap for me!
[15:59:56] <janrinok> For trading purposes - we are well and truely integrated with Europe. For other things, we cannot quite see why we should have to compromise on our financial wellbeing and security.
[15:58:58] <BlackHole> ah, yes. UK social policy is interesting. so liberal in some ways and conservative in others (compared to the US).
[15:58:29] <janrinok> Yep, but unsurprisingly, Germany doesn't see it that way and cannot understand why 'Britain is always being awkward'.
[15:57:30] <BlackHole> i guess that's stating the obvious, really.
[15:57:21] <BlackHole> it seems to me that one challenge to any Europe-wide financial policy is the disproportionate wealth of a few key countries, Germany in particular.
[15:56:27] <janrinok> The UK is fighting to regain control over some of the laws which dictate, for example, that we must provide shelter and financial assistance to some who have aleady been proven to be a threat to the UK.
[15:55:10] <janrinok> It will work if everyone agrees to compromise - if everyone wants to be the chief then it will fail as have many other initiatives. The reason being it would entail handing over control of a nation's laws to a non-electable body based in Europe.
[15:54:56] <BlackHole> frankly, i'm surprised that so many countries did. it seems like one would have to control their national pride to a remarkable degree :) i can't imagine people here switching away from USD. we can't even get rid of the penny!
[15:53:35] <BlackHole> i hear that they are still working on pushing through some "European Patent" legislation. hopefully if they do, it turns out to be an improvement to the current system. it's so difficult to anticipate the long-term effects of that kind of thing.
[15:53:35] <janrinok> I'd never thought of that aspect - I suppose it is true. It is at a much higher level that we fundamentally disagree with handing over control of our currency.
[15:52:27] <BlackHole> true, but i guess one saving grace is that you can postpone the country-specific fees, which provides some flexibility in how you proceed with the prosecution of the application.
[15:52:12] <janrinok> Britain is _in_ the EU, but _outside_ the Eurozone i.e. we still use our own currency and do not subscribe to a Euro over which we would have little control, but Germany and France dominate. Would you give up the dollar under the same rules?
[15:50:52] <janrinok> The original idea was that you could do it in any of the acceptable EU languages and that would be valid for the whole of the EU. Some countries felt that they were being slighted and so now you have to do what you always had to do but with another layer of EU paperwork on top. Not much of an improvement in my book.
[15:50:34] <BlackHole> Britain is still outside of the Eurozone, correct? does that offend the sensibilities of many other EU countries? (i can imagine that it would)
[15:49:20] <BlackHole> i think we bored him :)
[15:49:07] <janrinok> I didn't realise that mattie_p was even on channel - he often lurks but it seems he just timed out.
[15:49:02] <BlackHole> it is very convenient to deal with the European Patent Office (EPO) to get everything sorted out and in shape before having to go to the patent offices of the individual countries. (and saves a lot of money by postponing translation into a bazillion different languages).
[15:47:58] <janrinok> Britain tries to apply some common-sense, everyone else is busy looking after their own position or wanting to increase their power, and see that commonsense would not be advantageous to them. Hence, boo, hiss, the Brits are the bad guys. No change for the last few 100 years then...
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[15:47:18] <BlackHole> my only recent experience/exposure to EU beurocracy comes from our recent patent application that is now entering the "regional stage".
[15:45:48] <BlackHole> hmm. doesn't sound like the most sustainable situation, but i suppose it could work as long as everyone remains flexible to some degree.
[15:43:19] <janrinok> The EU is like the EU has always been. There are regulations. The Brits try to obey them all, fail to meet some and admit it, and then get chastized by the EU paper-pushers. The French ignore EU laws, thumb their nose at any challenges, and live their lives as though nothing has happened. Other nations, Greece, Spain, Ireland, all have their own variations on how to manage the EU.
[15:41:29] <janrinok> Local housing taxes and such like are slightly more complicated but not much.
[15:41:18] <BlackHole> i see. makes sense. how is the EU doing these days?
[15:40:41] <janrinok> Not really, I receive a UK government pension, taxed in the UK. Under EU rules you only get taxed once. So, as I earn nothing in France, it is simply a case of proving the payments of my pension and the tax taken from it, and then they give me an additional tax bill of 0 euros.
[15:40:00] <BlackHole> i spent a year studying in Japan. there really is no substitute for an immersion of at least that duration.
[15:39:12] <BlackHole> doing tax returns in a foreign language! i'm pretty sure that counts as advanced =)
[15:39:08] <janrinok> But I have lived or worked in each of those places for at least a year or more - so I _should_ be able to communicate to some degree or other.
[15:38:06] <BlackHole> i see. i am limited to English and let's say "basic-to-moderate" Japanese.
[15:36:49] <janrinok> We watch UK tv via satellite. I speak (at various levels of competency) Russian, Serbian, German and French. The latter is by far the worst - although I can get by when shopping, doing tax returns, chatting to the neighbours etc. But, other than than, we have limited social life and we use English in the home.
[15:34:41] <BlackHole> how is your French? do you watch French tv or get plenty of English channels?
[15:34:13] <janrinok> I let the voices in my head win nowadays - it saves me lots of guilt as I just blame the 'voices' for everything I do wrong.
[15:33:31] <BlackHole> usually i have it tuned to CNN. i guess i'm a news junkie.
[15:33:09] <BlackHole> mostly backgound noise. drowns out the voices in my head. (kidding!)
[15:32:46] <janrinok> actually watch, or is it background noise?
[15:32:22] <BlackHole> like every good American, i watch at least 8 hours of tv a day :)
[15:32:17] <janrinok> I've known people rush home to watch it, and I've seen people walk out of the room when it begins....
[15:31:30] <BlackHole> oh, dear. how could anyone hate that, it's perfect! =)
[15:29:34] <janrinok> BlackHole: that's a comedy that people either love or hate. It seems that there is no middleground.
[15:23:56] <BlackHole> (ever see "Keeping Up Appearances"?, it's one of my favo(u)rite british comedies!)
[15:22:51] <BlackHole> now that is what i call riparian entertainment!
[15:22:08] <BlackHole> in boston, they launch fireworks from a giant barge in the river. people lining the river get an amazing view!
[15:20:47] * BlackHole can see people dismantling a huge fireworks setup from his window.
[15:17:26] * BlackHole goes to get a coffee
[15:17:20] <BlackHole> k
[15:17:15] <janrinok> lol - brb 5 mins - wife needs help
[15:16:58] <BlackHole> i do hear quite a few stories around here about the challenges of perl ;)
[15:15:49] <janrinok> I've not heard of it, but it sounds about right. I used to use perl, but Python appeals to my way of thinking and writing code - so I switched a few years ago. Now, perl looks to me like line noise on a teleprinter...
[15:14:24] <BlackHole> i think the 'batteries included' aspect was a selling point for my colleague. i believe there is a package called "pydna", even, which was just what he needed.
[15:14:18] <janrinok> And with a number of networked computers, one has to first discover where the problem begins and not only where it manifests itself...!
[15:13:12] <janrinok> Realtime software can be difficult to debug because it might only be an event that occurs periodically that sets a chain of events going, which in turn cause the problem. Which is where I am now.
[15:11:40] <janrinok> I also use C++ where necessary - python isn't good as a realtime language although it can be coerced into doing some amazing things. But it is a very good language that can do most things and, as they say, is 'batteries included'.
[15:10:02] <BlackHole> very cool. my colleague is working on a python program to organize our lab's database of dna sequences. i think he likes it (i guess he must, since he chose to use it).
[15:09:59] <janrinok> Not necessarily a valuable software project but it keeps my brain active and lets me try various ideas.
[15:07:44] <janrinok> Well, to keep my software skills even remotely current, I have eight (most old and unwanted) computers scattered around the house and networked together. They each have a purpose but do not always remain on. So I write realtime software to manage them, and to control their individual tasks while remaining seated at my main position.
[15:05:48] <janrinok> LaminatorX aslo plays
[15:05:46] <BlackHole> side project?
[15:05:33] <janrinok> I'm currently trying to debug a python program that has been working well for over 12 months and has suddenly decided that it doesn't want to play anymore.
[15:05:16] <BlackHole> ...and so does mrcool, i believe. i may have a chance to see his band perform next weekend.
[15:03:13] <BlackHole> i also play the guitar (a bit). i've been too busy lately, though, so my calluses are all gone.
[15:03:09] <janrinok> ...and as you can see my typing is pretty crappy too...
[15:02:29] <BlackHole> oh my! i can picture it.
[15:01:31] <janrinok> I _was_ using a chain saw. But a bit of tree under tension after the fall whipped back when I cut part of the trunk. Could have been nasty, but it only caught my finger tips. I've not been playing my guitar or banjo for a few months now!
[15:00:03] <janrinok> no quite the opposite - She is approaching retirement, but skis, does equestrian eventing and other outdoor pursuits. yet I'm supposed to drink cocoa and wear my slippers all the time!
[14:59:42] <BlackHole> next time, best use a chain saw, i think ;)
[14:59:07] <BlackHole> hah! is he fresh out of med school?
[14:58:46] <janrinok> the doc reckons I mad for even trying to do such things at 'my age' - cheeky devil!
[14:57:24] <janrinok> lol yes - several months ago while cutting up some trees that fell onto a corner of the house during a storm, I injured the tips of 3 fingers. Nothing too serious. But I'm at the stage now where the nails have grown and are partly shedding the old bruised portions. Damn, if they don't get in the way of everything!
[14:56:07] <BlackHole> oh dear, gardening accident?
[14:55:59] <BlackHole> good point :) i'm just looking forward to the inevitable NE USA SN Party.
[14:55:50] * janrinok notes that typing with the ends of 3 fingers in sticking plasters is not easy
[14:55:28] <janrinok> and*
[14:55:23] <janrinok> Not sure of the exact location - an people value their privacy so I don't like to pry into specifics.
[14:54:59] <BlackHole> nice.
[14:54:52] <BlackHole> he was moving to upstate new york, IIRC.
[14:54:46] <janrinok> Yep, he and family arrived safely. Not sure when their belongings catch up with them.
[14:54:12] <BlackHole> which reminds me, i hope that mattie_p's move was a success. any news on that front?
[14:52:51] <janrinok> It seems like SN has quite a following in the NE of America!
[14:52:44] <BlackHole> i actually met NC in person while he was in town!
[14:52:30] <BlackHole> i'm in the Boston area.
[14:52:21] <BlackHole> that seems like an excellent attitude. i am sure that she enjoys having your company during the day now.
[14:52:17] <janrinok> Anyway - where abouts are you - general country or region will suffice...
[14:51:21] <janrinok> But everyday is a new day - and we take each day as it comes.
[14:50:49] <BlackHole> ah, i see.
[14:50:39] <janrinok> sry 'There isn't one'*
[14:50:24] <janrinok> There is one for treating MS, but there are several to correct the deterioration that can occur on other organs which might, without treatment, prove serious or even fatal.
[14:49:33] <BlackHole> i see.
[14:49:23] <BlackHole> i didn't know that there was a surgical procedure for treating MS.
[14:49:18] <janrinok> One reason that I volunteered to be an editor, is that it is something I can do and be only a matter of a few yards from her bedside.
[14:48:28] <janrinok> We found out early last week that she is facing some fairly serious surgery, with no possibility of any recovery from where she is today, but a significant risk of yet more deterioration.
[14:47:22] <janrinok> lol - I've taken up cooking too, well no other options really, and I am told that I am an accomplished cook. I enjoy it but, like so many things, it is also quite a drain on my time.
[14:47:09] <BlackHole> ah. are the doctors able to do anything that helps at all?
[14:46:17] <BlackHole> i see. i once took a biking tour through the Loire Valley. it was a great experience (and a good way to offsett all of the calories from the delicious food :)
[14:46:16] <janrinok> 10 years ago, she was a normal active person with no indications of anything that was to come.
[14:45:31] <janrinok> Unfortunately, my wife's condition is deteriorating. When we arrived here she could still walk with a stick, and could drive. She has very limited capabilities nowadays and it is difficult to watch what, to me, seems a very rapid change.
[14:44:18] <BlackHole> in fact, ever since they moved to Maine (it must be 10 years ago by now), her MS has progressed only very slowly.
[14:43:10] <janrinok> no, I'm a Brit who took early'ish retirement from Government service - mostly military - to look after my wife. Settled here in NW France about 7 years ago.
[14:42:59] <BlackHole> ah, yes. my aunt was diagnosed with MS some years ago. she and her husband moved to Maine, specifically for that reason.
[14:42:17] <BlackHole> oh, my goodness. all this time, I thought you were in Australia, for some reason.
[14:42:12] <janrinok> cope with*
[14:42:02] <janrinok> My wife cannot cope to extremes of temperature - they play havoc with MS.
[14:41:24] <janrinok> NW France is a typical W european climate. Plenty of rain from the Atlantic, but enough warm and even hot days to make living here a pleasure.
[14:40:27] <BlackHole> how would you describe the climate in your area?
[14:39:42] <janrinok> The 3rd patch is a fruit and veggie garden. Not had much chance to do anywork in there this year but we will still get some fruit as a crop.
[14:38:54] <janrinok> Behind the house is a small copse. It is managed but allowed to grow more naturally. It is teeming with wildlife from insects and mice, up the food chain, to visiting owls and raptors. The plants dictate what happens there, I simply try to keep them in some semblance of order....
[14:38:47] <BlackHole> i see. i'm glad that it brings the two of you pleasure.
[14:37:18] <janrinok> I have 3 separate areas of garden. Between the house and the road is about 15 metres square of formal garden - roses, dahlias, hydrangea etc. My wife is disabled and stuck in a wheelchair or on her hospital-type bed. She likes the colours and smells on the occasional push around that garden....
[14:34:57] <BlackHole> so, i understand that you garden? what sort of things do you grow?
[14:34:17] <BlackHole> true. i think bytram has mostly recovered from going over them with a fine-tooth comb ;)
[14:33:02] <janrinok> I think you shouldn't underplay the _amount_ of paperwork - lol. I know a lot of people were sweating blood to complete that document!
[14:32:05] <BlackHole> yep. it's quite a milestone. as I was also telling mrcool last night, the hard part was getting people to agree, the rest was just paperwork :)
[14:29:33] <janrinok> All-in-all, its been a good few days, beginning last Friday with incorporation.
[14:28:26] <BlackHole> yeah, i think he'll like it. seems like things are progressing nicely wiht the site.
[14:28:05] <BlackHole> they're probably all hungover. :)
[14:27:55] <janrinok> brilliant. NC will be as pleased as Punch!
[14:27:34] <BlackHole> quite the scoop, eh? :0)
[14:27:25] <janrinok> I _had_ noticed :)
[14:27:11] <BlackHole> cool. (that's my submission, in case you didnt' notice ;-)
[14:27:10] <chromas> janrinok: did you notice the submitter?
[14:27:09] <janrinok> Things are as good as can be expected. I'm very tired after a busy weekend on here as the US crowd still haven't returned to SN duty! I expect that they'll turn up later today or tomorrow.
[14:26:29] <chromas> Hah
[14:25:59] <janrinok> I agree - I would have felt the same. We also have a story - not yet edited and released - where a US Congressman tells the world how he left /. and moved to SN - a completely unsolicited testimonial. We will release that on Monday along with NC's latest update.
[14:25:06] <BlackHole> what's new in your neck of the wood_s? (don't want to wake him up either ;-)
[14:24:28] <BlackHole> that officially made my week =)
[14:24:10] <BlackHole> very good. as i was telling mrcoolb_p (don't want to wake him up) last night, my favorite comment from the stem-cell post was from cubancigar11: "A. Good good extremely good. I felt I am at the right place reading this article."
[14:21:35] <janrinok> hi BlackHole I'm good, how about you?
[14:17:00] <BlackHole> janrinok, hi. how are you?
[14:05:20] <janrinok> hi anyone
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[06:19:03] <monopoly> ^ 04SN Submission by BlackHole 03 U.S. Congressional Candidate is a Fan of SoylentNews! : BlackHole writes: B.J. Guillot is one of three candidates currently seeking to represent Washington State's 2nd Congressional District in the U.S. House of Represent...
[06:19:02] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: http://soylentnews.org!
[05:59:43] <mrcoolbp> Blackhole: PM
[05:59:34] <BlackHole> that made my week!
[05:59:27] <BlackHole> my favorite comment from the stem-cell post: <cubancigar11> "A. Good good extremely good. I felt I am at the right place reading this article."
[05:58:02] <BlackHole> hahah
[05:58:01] <mrcoolbp> = )
[05:57:56] <mrcoolbp> BlackHOle: I hope not
[05:57:46] <mrcoolbp> he should get some kind of stipend
[05:57:44] <BlackHole> but don't tell them. (i'm sure none are listening, right? ;)
[05:57:34] <mrcoolbp> them and paulej72
[05:57:27] <mrcoolbp> that's a good idea, they are some of the hardest working guys on the team
[05:57:11] <BlackHole> i also think it would be cool to find a way to pay the editors, at least a token sum.
[05:57:08] <mrcoolbp> cool, lemme check
[05:56:29] <BlackHole> i had a good conversation with jan on this channel this morning about figuring out a way to commmission some original articles from freelance writers.
[05:56:17] <mrcoolbp> s/today/always/
[05:56:03] <mrcoolbp> you're on fire today
[05:55:42] <mrcoolbp> I saw it
[05:55:31] <BlackHole> it was the stem cell one.
[05:55:24] <BlackHole> oh, btw, did you see my other awesome story today?
[05:55:13] <mrcoolbp> yeah, we took some convincin'
[05:55:01] <mrcoolbp> ROFL
[05:54:52] <BlackHole> the hard part is getting people to agree, the rest is just paperwork :-)
[05:54:39] <BlackHole> i have learned an important lesson myself:
[05:54:16] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: thanks for what you've done for SoylentNews PBC, I really can't believe it
[05:53:34] <BlackHole> great!
[05:53:23] <mrcoolbp> I promise you'll be entertained
[05:53:05] <mrcoolbp> The Tavern, 102 Irving Street, Framingham
[05:52:36] <BlackHole> cool! location? (it's probably too late for me given the drive back, but there is a chance i could make it).
[05:52:19] <mrcoolbp> pinkfloyd, tool, pearl jam, etc
[05:52:02] <mrcoolbp> we are actually pretty good
[05:51:48] <mrcoolbp> Friday 10pm, Saturday same
[05:51:35] <BlackHole> when?
[05:51:22] <mrcoolbp> it's in framingham
[05:51:16] <BlackHole> yeah!
[05:51:10] <mrcoolbp> = )
[05:51:09] <mrcoolbp> do you like classic/90s rock?
[05:51:00] <mrcoolbp> no, that's this friday/saturday
[05:50:46] <BlackHole> wow. did you get to play any Independence Day gigs?
[05:50:35] <mrcoolbp> havn't been the same since
[05:50:25] <mrcoolbp> I may have missed that, I basically worked 15 hours on Friday
[05:50:19] <BlackHole> nice!
[05:50:13] <mrcoolbp> yes
[05:50:06] <BlackHole> does that time work for you?
[05:49:57] <BlackHole> very nice. I'm not sure i remember seeing your response to NC's request for a meeting on Monday at 7pm EST.
[05:49:32] * mrcoolbp is stoked
[05:49:16] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: also BTW, I had/am-still-having a crazy long weekend working but I'm planning on teaming up with NCommander to get paypal (at least) setup the week coming
[05:49:08] <mrcoolbp> Blackhole
[05:49:04] <mrcoolbp> er
[05:49:01] <mrcoolbp> Blackmoore: I'll draft an email to him and get the guys attention in the morning for review
[05:48:36] <mrcoolbp> cool
[05:48:03] <BlackHole> yeah, if you google "soylentnews" in google news, it comes up.
[05:47:47] <BlackHole> really his quote is just our excuse to entice him into a conversatioin :-)
[05:47:33] <mrcoolbp> Blackhole: nice work, were you searching around? How did you find this one?
[05:47:18] <BlackHole> it just seems like it would be cool if he actually engaged directly with the community.
[05:46:59] <BlackHole> also, i think he's a bit of an underdog in this election, but you never know :)
[05:46:31] <mrcoolbp> Blackhole: don't get me wrong, this is sweet
[05:46:12] <BlackHole> very true, but i don't know that we could really ask for more at this stage...
[05:46:11] <mrcoolbp> I could see waiting for monday on this based on our stats
[05:45:54] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: this is really cool, but it seems he just mentioned it in passing
[05:45:36] <BlackHole> lol!
[05:45:26] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: omg, yes I did "forget" (or never knew)
[05:44:09] <BlackHole> (btw, in case you forgot, i'm matt_ :-)
[05:44:03] <monopoly> ^ 03U.S. Congressional Candidate is a Fan of SoylentNews!: SoylentNews Submission
[05:44:02] <mrcoolbp> pauelej72: check out http://soylentnews.org!
[05:42:40] <BlackHole> k
[05:42:35] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: let me check out the story
[05:41:52] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p, NCommander, Azrael, we have a doozie in the submission queu
[05:41:42] <BlackHole> i don't know that there is any real rush, but it would be sweet to get maximum visibility =)
[05:41:15] <mrcoolbp> I could send it through, but I'd like to grab the fulltime editor's attention
[05:41:15] <BlackHole> i wonder if that would be good for a monday morning post?
[05:40:58] <mrcoolbp> holy shit, let me get the team on it
[05:40:47] <BlackHole> just sayin'.
[05:40:43] <BlackHole> i'm pretty sure we're going to take over the world.
[05:40:30] <mrcoolbp> HWOA
[05:39:54] <mrcoolbp> k
[05:39:47] <BlackHole> check out my pending submission :)
[05:39:45] <mrcoolbp> blackhole, lay it on me
[05:39:37] <mrcoolbp> sup Blackhole?
[05:39:36] <BlackHole> you are not going to believe the scoop I just got!
[05:39:26] <BlackHole> mrcoolbp, hi!
[05:39:06] <mrcoolbp> HI!
[05:38:14] <BlackHole> Hi!
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[00:26:14] <Azrael> thanks :)