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[22:01:57] <n1> laters :)
[22:01:53] <janrinok> lol, tomorrow then!
[22:01:45] <n1> hah, never!
[22:01:37] <janrinok> n1 - are you suggesting that he should have left them behind...? ;)
[22:01:26] <n1> take care, janrinok
[22:01:07] <janrinok> well, time for me to go. cu all tomorrow!
[22:01:00] <n1> can't say i envy having to move with a wife and kids, it's bad enough just by myself.
[21:58:42] <janrinok> Mattie_p should be arriving at his new home tomorrow sometime.
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[21:48:23] <janrinok> I didn't see you leave....
[21:48:04] <janrinok> wb nick/n1 whoever...
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[21:13:32] <janrinok> I've not had chance to read the comments yet!
[21:12:35] <TK> But I wasn't the first to notice, the very first comment is regarding the typo
[21:12:14] <TK> I see the changed page
[21:11:47] <TK> More to come in the future
[21:06:35] <janrinok> Thx again TK - much appreciated even if I didn't understand your cryptic clues!
[21:06:00] <janrinok> Yipee - its ok now
[21:05:43] <janrinok> loads of F5, Ctrl-F5 so its not at my end.
[21:05:26] <LaminatorX> MMmm, cache.
[21:05:07] <janrinok> correction shows in the story list but still hasn't made it to my front page!
[21:04:20] <janrinok> You are the first to notice that error - good spot
[21:04:10] <LaminatorX> Thanks for the assist, TK. We do appreciate it.
[21:03:21] <janrinok> paulej72 has a ban-hammer that he can wield from time to time, but we try not to have to use it.
[21:02:41] <janrinok> Once or twice but, touch wood, not too recently
[21:02:23] <TK> Has there been a bot problem?
[21:00:53] <TK> lol
[21:00:46] <janrinok> it all makes sense now - I've made the correction but it will take a few minutes to filter through the cache.
[21:00:34] <n1> at least it was an amusing one
[21:00:30] <n1> if there was a typo to have
[21:00:10] <TK> I was trying to cleverly say there was a typo, but the difference isn't obvious without putting them side by side
[20:59:45] <n1> :P
[20:59:44] <janrinok> lol - np
[20:59:44] <n1> we're all bad.
[20:59:37] <TK> My bad
[20:59:27] <janrinok> thx for that - it was a bit cryptic at first
[20:59:17] <TK> No wonder janrinok wanted me to be a bot
[20:58:44] <TK> has a typo in the title
[20:58:41] <n1> argh!
[20:58:24] <TK> The story http://soylentnews.org
[20:58:23] <n1> lol.
[20:58:13] <TK> I first came here for the<popcorn> for Barrabas
[20:58:08] <janrinok> hi TK, what did you mean by your first 2 posts?
[20:57:58] <n1> TK has been around for a while afaik.
[20:57:49] <TK> I'm real
[20:57:23] <janrinok> paulej72: You might want to record the details for user TK - I'm not sure if this is the start of something....
[20:57:05] <n1> i think not
[20:56:02] <janrinok> is TK another bot?
[20:55:43] <TK> Virgina is a hotel in Paris
[20:55:36] <n1> well that very much depends, this will be the first year and it will only be two. i'm just doing the technical side of it, the owner/operators have to secure the work.
[20:55:02] <TK> Virginia has three I's
[20:54:29] <janrinok> How often do you get the opportunity to earn something back from the equipment? I.e. is it use two/three times a year, a dozen, more?
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[20:53:22] <n1> we're barely breaking even on it really, this happens too often.
[20:50:08] <n1> another company would probably be 50% more, and this is after me pulling them out the shit last year.
[20:48:53] <n1> we're doing it really cheap, because it should be an ongoing thing, regular work.
[20:48:23] <n1> £7k
[20:47:17] <janrinok> How big of an investment is it?
[20:46:55] <n1> as i said before, if we don't go ahead, everyone gets fucked.
[20:46:46] <n1> janrinok, me too, and for a change it's not just me that suffers
[20:46:14] <janrinok> hope things turn out ok
[20:45:02] <LaminatorX> Meanwhile you're not taking any other gigs in that timeframe. Hrmph.
[20:44:14] <n1> all i can do is keep checking my emails and hope funding comes through, the first festival we're supposed to be doing information signs as well as the cctv system, so there's a ton of work to do from as soon as we get the money.
[20:43:14] <n1> i'm working on other things, hence all the writing for marketing materials, going to be reselling BT internet and installing data cabling and that kind of deal, to expand the business.
[20:41:49] <janrinok> it never rains but it pours. What's your plan?
[20:40:15] <n1> but it's a knock on effect, there's no choice, not only will it fuck this festival, the hardware was also for the next festival
[20:39:42] <n1> they're still hoping on it, but we're due on site in 3 weeks, had to make adjustments because some of the equipment was special order and 5 weeks lead time.
[20:38:53] <janrinok> Is that likely to be the end result, or is everybody expecting funding to get through in time?
[20:38:15] <n1> and if they dont have the funding for us, the council will shut them down because breaking licence and subsequently fuck everyone else, traders, companies providing service, the actual ticket holders.
[20:37:12] <n1> due on site at the first festival in like 3 weeks, the organizers still dont have the funding.
[20:35:16] <janrinok> thx
[20:35:06] <n1> wb
[20:33:14] <janrinok> ok back now
[20:21:52] <janrinok> brb
[20:21:52] <n1> the dropcam people were already on the radar, which is probably how they got their funding, because they'd already been paid millions by yahoo for some email features.
[20:21:41] <janrinok> ...and that's my other problem.
[20:21:28] <n1> it will, if you're connected.
[20:21:14] <janrinok> So being inherently lazy isn't likely to help my case?
[20:20:49] <n1> that obviously wasn't on the media agenda of how with hard work you can make it big all by yourself.
[20:20:21] <n1> and got him funding from a HongKong VC firm to make it happen
[20:20:12] <n1> it was only till you dug deeper into the story, the kids dad was an executive at HSBC or some other major bank
[20:19:47] <n1> the media was pushing it as 'young kid makes app in bedroom, makes millions."
[20:19:29] <n1> i think it was a news summary app that got bought by yahoo for millions a year or two ago
[20:19:18] <janrinok> If I VC'd you a tenner, would it start the ball rolling, do you think? :)
[20:17:35] <n1> once you're on the radar, as in VC has funded you so other funds are watching, then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy
[20:16:38] <n1> trying to grow my business through demand, rather than finding someone with money to burn.
[20:16:24] <n1> me too, maybe i'm doing it wrong
[20:15:56] <janrinok> I wish someone would 'dump' a couple of million on me.
[20:15:46] <n1> none of those other companies are worth anything, even though they offer the same or extremely similar services. dropcam, with 100m investment for nothing innovative, is worth 500m somehow.
[20:15:06] <janrinok> Our stories are not quite the same, but maybe there is a common thread there somewhere.
[20:15:05] <n1> the dropcam acquisition is what finally made the link for me, there was nearly 100m in vc funding for a technology that had already been on the market by other companies for at least 3 years.
[20:14:12] <janrinok> That was also on ITV news tonight - they had a piece on crowd funding and how it was beginning to worry certain banks. I was only half listening so I'm not sure of the details.
[20:14:05] <n1> someone's always dumping tens of millions into them a couple years before someone buys them for hundreds of millions.
[20:13:51] <n1> Any company that gets bought out for a huge sum, always had VC backing. They never seem to start as a small business and grow organically because of market forces
[20:13:13] <n1> on an unrelated subject, i've been pondering something myself. What i've noted on pretty much every tech acquisition in recent times, the one comment element, is venture capital.
[20:10:12] <n1> heh
[20:10:03] <janrinok> good idea - we'll save it until then for the discussion!
[20:09:42] <n1> well, in a week or so we can blame zizban as he wont be here to defend himself.
[20:09:23] <janrinok> ditto
[20:09:12] <n1> i'll just blame you ;)
[20:08:46] <janrinok> it was lost on me - we'll probably be panned as eds for not getting the joke, but meh....
[20:08:40] <n1> if they are on recreational medication, then i want some of what they're on lol, seems fun.
[20:08:20] <n1> but i couldn't make the connection
[20:08:15] <n1> it only made me think of a friend of mine who references pinky and the brain frequently
[20:07:33] <janrinok> I think that the submitter must have been taking some recreational medication or something. Either that, or I'm getting too old and don't understand 'the youth of today'.
[20:05:22] <n1> Sure, if you don't get it either then remove it.
[20:05:03] <janrinok> yes, I agree. n1 - I've read that story and I haven't got a clue what the final link is all about. Can I just delete it for you?
[20:02:48] <n1> that is very good janrinok, sounds like you're better off there than what's going on here with such matters.
[20:01:59] <janrinok> Fortunately, the local social support are very good and are already looking at what help they might be able to offer to improve S's quality of life after the op. Its a small compensation but it nice to have supportive people around, even during the 'decision' making stage. (I don't thing that there is any decision to make looking at the alternatives, but S has to reach that conclusion herself.)
[19:58:42] <n1> I think the same applies to everyone, regardless of the situation, we should try and make the best and most of each day. Hope for a better future but appreciate the good of the present.
[19:58:35] <LaminatorX> I watched a documentary over the weekend about (and shot&edited by) a couple where the husband has rapidly-advancing MS. I thought of you two.
[19:57:13] <janrinok> thx for your thoughts - its a problem that we have to get over, and there is not much anyone can do to help.
[19:57:04] <n1> even if unrealistic, hope is a help in itself.
[19:56:41] <n1> janrinok, I understand that very well. I wish i could offer something to help. Never been good with that kind of thing.
[19:56:31] <janrinok> yep, I had already come to realise what the future held, but I think S was hoping beyond hope that something would come along to change things. It's not an easy thing to accept, especially as she is 10 years younger that I am and should have quite a long life ahead of her still.
[19:55:03] <LaminatorX> Least-bad choices suck.
[19:54:01] <janrinok> People always cling on to the belief that, one day, perhaps they will get better. This operation is fairly drastic and implies that she will never be able to make a full recovery, and that she is unlikely to make any significant improvement from where she is today, but could get much worse without it.
[19:53:08] <n1> my thoughts will be with you both, janrinok. i hope it goes to plan.
[19:52:42] <LaminatorX> :( indeed. Be strong and good luck.
[19:52:11] <janrinok> the latter unfortunately.
[19:52:04] <n1> :(
[19:51:48] <LaminatorX> "Improve things" sugery or "prevent worse things" surgery?
[19:50:31] <janrinok> Soph is facing fairly major surgery, but that has been delayed until after Sept at the earliest, barring any unforeseen events. n1 - will do.
[19:50:16] <n1> i've left it in for now, im assuming i just dont get it.
[19:49:59] <n1> there's a reference at the end which im missing the connection to the story
[19:49:48] <n1> if someone could take a look at the 'genetically modified red blood cells' story, it would be appreciated
[19:49:15] <LaminatorX> Things are well, and thanks for the heads-up re zizban.
[19:49:15] <janrinok> np. The extra 2 eds have made a big difference. We have had a bit of flex in the system and have actually been ahead of the game a little bit.
[19:48:35] <n1> thanks, janrinok. is much appreciated. i'm sorry for not being very reliable of late.
[19:47:48] <janrinok> n1, if there is anything I can do to help, just shout. But I fear that there is probably not much I can do from here.
[19:47:06] <janrinok> LaminatorX: zizban will be away for 2 weeks summer camp starting in about 9-10 days or so.
[19:47:03] <n1> things have been worse, but it's all or nothing as always.
[19:46:46] <n1> yeah, mostly - although work tends to impact personal stuff as i'm sure you know.
[19:46:35] <janrinok> n1: sry to hear that, I hope things sort themselves out soon
[19:46:08] <n1> been writing marketing materials to plan for the worst while i wait for funds to be available for projects that should have started a week ago, havn't been able to find the time or energy to face editing.
[19:45:59] <janrinok> n1: just work related?
[19:45:43] <janrinok> Hi LaminatorX how's things?
[19:45:09] <LaminatorX> Hello.
[19:44:58] <n1> yeah, i've been up against it, this is shaping up to be a tough month or two
[19:44:09] <janrinok> n1 - hi - not spoken to you since Saturday.
[19:42:54] <n1> how are you?
[19:41:45] <n1> hi janrinok
[19:40:40] <janrinok> hi anyone
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[17:40:24] <Azrael> howdy janrinok|afk
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[16:56:51] <janrinok> have a good one
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[16:56:46] <zizban> Okay off I go!
[16:56:23] <zizban> Thank you!
[16:55:57] <janrinok> I've said it before - and I'll say it again - I admire what you do and I hope enough people appreciate it.
[16:55:00] <janrinok> Although I'm approaching the age where that might actually be applicable again...
[16:54:53] <zizban> LOL
[16:54:36] <janrinok> So next time I see a pretty young girl, my defence will be 'I'm sorry, but I didn't know any better!'
[16:53:21] <zizban> yes
[16:53:18] <janrinok> off*
[16:53:10] <janrinok> OK - got it - a bit like herding cats while beating of wolves.
[16:52:45] <zizban> YES SHE IS PRETTY NO ITS NOT APPROPRIATE TO TOUCH HER
[16:52:25] <zizban> Plus teaching them life skills
[16:52:15] <zizban> well its herding a dozen young energetic austic kids through things like museums, theme parks, etc
[16:49:59] <janrinok> What particular problems does it bring - other than the workload?
[16:49:03] <zizban> Like all day trips off campus
[16:48:41] <zizban> It is fun it's just a lot of work
[16:48:33] <janrinok> Is*
[16:48:23] <janrinok> I summer camp a good thing - enjoyable, interesting etc?
[16:47:52] <janrinok> thx for the heads up. We are also short of N1 at the moment - I assume that he is buried in work somewhere.
[16:47:16] <zizban> That means starting the 9th I'll be scarce for a couple of weeks
[16:47:08] <janrinok> I wish I could have done that to one of my teachers, back in the day...
[16:46:45] <zizban> yes ;)
[16:46:29] <janrinok> s/perspective/prospective/ I assume.... ;)
[16:45:58] <janrinok> Of course, its still early'ish for you, we are late afternoon here.
[16:45:42] <zizban> two weeks of insanity
[16:45:38] <zizban> Next week starts a summer camp for perspective students
[16:45:28] <zizban> quiet, so far. Office work. I have a student soon
[16:45:09] <janrinok> zizban: how's your teaching day going?
[16:42:47] <janrinok> well a couple*
[16:42:36] <janrinok> They assured me - we a couple of them did, that it occured during the submission draft and entry phase.
[16:41:35] <janrinok> I need to check rss-bot to make sure that _it_ isn't the culprit...?
[16:41:33] <paulej72> Pasting in a non ascii char that just happens to be renderd as : ?
[16:40:28] <zizban> The lawsuit will nowhere
[16:40:25] <janrinok> paulej72: We had a series of half a dozen or so the other day, all from different submitters. Those that I managed to speak to said they had not inserted it. I wonder if they are using some scraping software that just sticks it in?
[16:40:22] <zizban> Yep
[16:39:14] <janrinok> The GCHQ affair will come to nothing, unfortunately. GCHQ are _supposed_ to intercept foreign communications, assist the police etc. They have no limitation inside the UK when supporting the police or MI5. So while they might be guilty of everything they are accused of, 'so what?' will be the response.
[16:38:23] <paulej72> janrinok: I think the submitter is posting the title with the : in it.
[16:36:38] <zizban> Ya and they are under intense media pressure right now as wll
[16:35:47] <janrinok> Your IRS seem to have their head up their arse (UK-en!)
[16:34:09] <zizban> Thank you!
[16:33:59] <janrinok> zizban: I've released your story - very interesting! (You also got bitten by the unicode bug but I replaced it...)
[16:31:04] <janrinok> hi zizban
[16:30:59] <janrinok> paulej72: I had another story with a spurious ':' in its title today - 4th in queue 'Paypal freezes ProtonMail Campaign Funds'
[16:30:37] <zizban> hello
[16:29:15] <janrinok> hi guys
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[16:24:54] <zizban> (sorry the delayed response, had to do paperwork)
[16:24:43] <zizban> I would think so
[16:04:20] <Azrael> should that just have been: AnonTechie, RhubarbSin, and others write: ?
[16:03:56] <Azrael> had a two named an done anonymouse which became: AnonTechie, RhubarbSin, and others write in to tell us:
[16:03:42] <zizban> heh
[16:03:17] <Azrael> I have had a couple and not known quite how to phrase the byline :/
[16:03:14] <zizban> Plus, dude, you had an ax to grind LOL
[16:03:00] <Azrael> :)
[16:02:56] <zizban> so no credit for him
[16:02:52] <zizban> Even though I merged them, I ending deleting 99% of what the second submitter what
[16:02:06] <Azrael> LaminatorX: as an aside, would be good to edit http://wiki.soylentnews.org with example of how to do multiple submitters in single article
[16:01:49] <zizban> Next time I'll just as my self, what would Azrael do?
[16:01:24] <zizban> Oh I missed that in one of my eighteen read throughs of the wiki
[16:01:01] <LaminatorX> There is room for interperetation, and the rules are not absolute.
[16:00:36] <Azrael> I sometimes can't tell if certain words should be capped or not.. I do best efforts in those cases :/
[16:00:26] <LaminatorX> Title Case is our friend. http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[16:00:16] <Azrael> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[15:59:32] <zizban> You don't cap every word in the headline?
[15:59:22] <zizban> Yes
[15:59:14] <LaminatorX> Note the added serial comma after "(3), and the adjustments to capitalization.
[15:59:07] <zizban> Thats How I learned in college
[15:58:59] <zizban> I cap everything
[15:58:41] <LaminatorX> The title should be "IRS, 501(c)(3), and the Future of Open Source in US"
[15:57:53] <LaminatorX> Looks pretty good. A few touch-ups:
[15:57:40] <Azrael> typo tree’s
[15:57:21] <zizban> Okay, it's now ready to go
[15:56:39] <zizban> LOL
[15:56:37] <zizban> schweet!
[15:56:34] <Azrael> i.e. that's how I do it :)
[15:56:26] <zizban> OK
[15:56:25] <Azrael> but afaik you've done that right :)
[15:56:14] <Azrael> you just don't get a way to see it as if it appearerd on front page
[15:56:04] <Azrael> yeah, but see the edit link is in the middle of the text, the full story always shows on the story page
[15:55:03] <zizban> look at the story in the que
[15:54:51] <zizban> I did that but when I preview it I don't read read more..it's still all on one page
[15:53:42] <Azrael> the read more bit you put into the Extended Copy box
[15:51:08] <zizban> I just need that info and the IRS story is ready to go
[15:47:25] <zizban> What code do I have to put at the beginning of the stuff that goes below "read more"?
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[15:36:39] <Azrael> lol
[15:33:56] <zizban> yep sure does. Luckily I dont have a class for an hour :)
[15:33:05] <Azrael> still gives you a lot to do in editing the content to merge them
[15:32:45] <Azrael> tick the box on both and click the merge button :)
[15:32:39] <zizban> No I had no idea
[15:32:27] <Azrael> zizban: do you know you can get the system to merge them both for you?
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[15:32:00] <zizban> That second is actually better than the one I am working on it. Let's see if I can take the good parts from this one
[15:30:27] <zizban> No lemme looksee
[15:30:12] <Azrael> zizban: did you see there are two IRS stories you can merge?
[15:15:25] <LaminatorX> That's the spirit.
[15:15:13] <zizban> Now to try to de-flamebait the IRS story
[15:14:56] <zizban> awesome
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[15:14:11] <Azrael> green thumbed :D
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[15:12:39] <Azrael> sure :)
[15:12:21] <zizban> The GCHQ story is ready if someone wants to look it over
[15:05:15] <zizban> Some are...harder
[15:05:10] <zizban> Some edits are a breeze like this one about ISPs and GCHQ
[15:03:27] * Azrael fires his typist
[15:03:23] <zizban> LaminatorX:everything is fine
[15:03:22] <Azrael> wow, the typing in that was awful
[15:02:57] <Azrael> I did notice on one story a commenter reinterpreted the story because original submission didn't reflect it as accurately. the commentor criticised the originally submitter (fortunately editor escaped blame ;) ) and I guess that's soemthign for me to look out for too. Seeing if submission does accurately reflect the story
[15:02:49] <LaminatorX> Howdy zizban. I was just chatting with Azrael about how things are feeling as an editor now that you've gotten a feel for things. How are things going for you?
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[15:01:16] <Azrael> Yeah, a few times on really long titles I've tried to shorten if a word isn't stricly necessary, but hold off trying to edit theem too much
[15:01:06] <LaminatorX> It hasn't been a problem per-se, but it is something to watch out for.
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[15:00:29] <Azrael> *nods* fair enough... I normally space them as I assume it should be and don't revisit. Probably a good idea for me to remember to re-space them out if queue is looking desperate
[14:59:39] <LaminatorX> Re-wording when is's not absolutely neccessary, yet still beneficial, is one of those things that feels awkward at first.
[14:58:44] <LaminatorX> Let me also encourage you to feel free to tighten up headlines here and there, as you deem fit.
[14:57:33] <LaminatorX> Sounds like the right approach. The only thing I've done with your stories beyond the normal touch-ups is space them out a bit when the submissions were thin over the weekend.
[14:54:39] <Azrael> *nods* when I'm low on time and there's stuff already waiting I do ease off. I only feel a pressure if we're close to the end of the queue and (so far) I'm happy to prioritise getting some stuff done regardless
[14:53:16] <LaminatorX> Hah. Cranking out a bunch is great when you've got the time & energy. If you're feeling stretched thin, feel free to back off too. I'd rather the load be shared than have anyone burn out.
[14:52:28] <Azrael> and sometimes I feel a bit bad (though not enough to stop me) when I log in and cherry pick all the good submissions and then sit back to let the rest of you fight over the rubbish ones :D
[14:51:29] <Azrael> and finding some days I can bang out a bunch in a row in next to no time - which is good :)
[14:50:25] <Azrael> yeah, I'm feeling good about it, feeling much more confident about tweaking other people's work when I 2nd ed approve too :)
[14:48:20] <LaminatorX> I'm digging you're stuff, I just wanted to take your pulse and make sure you were feeling good withit.
[14:47:48] <LaminatorX> More like 2+ weeks now that I look back. Time flies.
[14:46:07] <LaminatorX> So Azrael, a week or so in, how're you feeling about editing?
[14:44:43] <LaminatorX> Hello.
[14:43:47] <Azrael> g'afternoon
[14:35:40] * LaminatorX stretches and yawns.
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