#editorial | Logs for 2014-06-21
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[20:58:58] <janrinok> OK, that's me done for the day. cu all later.
[20:35:17] <janrinok> lol
[20:35:16] <mattie_p> there goes that plan then
[20:35:12] <mattie_p> aw dammit
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[20:34:47] <janrinok> Look, it's not working, we still know who you are. If you are trying to hide, pick a completely different name...
[20:34:22] <mattie_p> well, I want to stick with the real me if possible
[20:33:58] <janrinok> there he goes again
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[20:33:46] <janrinok> OK, that should keep you busy...
[20:33:24] <janrinok> ...I'm becoming stagnant....
[20:33:17] <Mattp> Just got back from the store, didn't buy boxes today instead we're loading up our container
[20:33:07] <janrinok> lol
[20:33:00] <Mattp> I gotta mix it up, can't stay stagnant must evolve
[20:29:31] <janrinok> Mattp: you are one for changing names - lots more boxes now?
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[20:26:13] <janrinok> back again with more boxes Mattp ?
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[19:44:40] <Bytram> !
[19:44:39] <Bytram> :/
[19:44:37] <Bytram> *great
[19:44:29] <Bytram> have a gerat day!!!!!!!
[19:44:26] <Bytram> ok, gtg.
[19:44:20] <Bytram> janrinok: on second thought; I think there's something about their nick not showing up until the next day; may have to do with a cache refresh? I don't know
[19:38:11] <janrinok> bb 5mins
[19:34:01] <janrinok> paulej72: did you see that comment a few lines up from Bytram - who has now gone - I think it is a known problem with the first post of any editor. I'm not sure that there is anything that can be done?
[19:31:40] <janrinok> cu laters
[19:31:33] <Mattiep> off to the store, see you all later
[19:31:26] <Bytram> afk
[19:31:23] <janrinok> No, once the first story goes out I think it just happens - its a glitch in slashcode
[19:31:20] <Bytram> and to keep the main page in synch with the stories pages. (fuzzy on the details on that one)
[19:30:59] <Bytram> I think there's some kind of poking that needs to be done to get his nick to appear on the page,
[19:30:41] <Bytram> oooh! I almost forgot! with our new editor, zizban, putting his first story on the main page...
[19:30:34] <Mattiep> family is doing ok, kids are helping with packing and disassembly, even some loading
[19:29:13] <janrinok> must have asked the wrong question.....
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[19:28:18] <Bytram> =)
[19:28:17] <janrinok> How's the family coping with the move?
[19:28:15] * Bytram wonders where HAL is to help with the POD doors?
[19:27:40] <janrinok> priorities
[19:27:39] <Bytram> :/
[19:27:38] <Mattiep> loaded about 15 or so boxes in our POD, more later after hitting the store
[19:27:32] <Bytram> s/com*/complete/
[19:27:22] <Bytram> I'll wait for a D/L to compelte.
[19:27:16] <janrinok> how's your Saturday going?
[19:27:14] <Bytram> mattie_p: and I *really* needs to be getting ready to head out the door!
[19:27:04] <Mattiep> hey folks
[19:26:59] <Bytram> mattie_p: hiya!
[19:26:27] <janrinok> hi Mattiep
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[19:24:47] <janrinok> rofl - er, most appropriate, I think.....?
[19:24:30] <Bytram> neither am I, but guessed it was a lobster or a crab?
[19:22:40] <janrinok> I'm not quite sure what the middle emoticon is meant to mean - but thx anyway
[19:22:02] <janrinok> lol
[19:21:54] <Bytram> all play and no work makes jack a happy boy
[19:21:33] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[19:21:33] <Bytram> !woop
[19:21:12] <janrinok> ...but not today, Yipee!
[19:20:58] <Bytram> you HAVE been rather productive! =)
[19:20:07] <janrinok> I've just noted that today is the first day that I haven't posted a story in a lot of weeks!
[19:19:33] <Bytram> haven't seen 'em today.
[19:19:11] <janrinok> Are you working with TMB?
[19:18:40] <Bytram> nah, the fonts ain't shiny, but they catch my eye just the same
[19:17:19] <janrinok> lol - shiny UTF-8? That, I've got to see!
[19:17:00] <Bytram> unicode fonts for the most part
[19:16:51] <Bytram> keep getting distracted by shiny things!
[19:16:43] <Bytram> trying to get enough stuff done so that I can, in good conscience, get out the door and enjoy a beautiful day! =)
[19:16:08] <janrinok> how's things with you today?
[19:15:59] <Bytram> lol!
[19:15:52] <janrinok> No, neither do I but I wondered if he was lurking as someone else....:)
[19:15:26] <Bytram> janrinok: I don't see him in the list of users in my sidebar. :/
[19:11:08] <janrinok> Woods : you here?
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[17:53:36] <zizban> cya
[17:53:31] <zizban> I'm going to lay down for a while
[17:53:24] <zizban> thanks
[17:52:37] <janrinok> got to go for about an hour or so. Food is almost ready, and I've got to sort my SO out before I can serve it up. See you in a while if you are still on chan. If not - good work today, and cu tomorrow perhaps - and I hope the cold doesn't linger.
[17:51:11] <zizban> Thanks :)
[17:50:46] <janrinok> Ah OK. I still admire you for what you do.
[17:50:10] <zizban> CIP tends to only take in high functioning autism students
[17:49:43] <janrinok> before my wife developed MS, she was also a teacher. She had the occasional autistic child in the class, but that child would also receive specialist help in addition to the classroom work. The classroom with other children was intended to make the autistic child feel more 'normal', if that is not an insulting way of putting it.
[17:49:43] <zizban> depends. some days are much easier than others
[17:47:44] <janrinok> that sounds like it can be quite a taxing job.
[17:47:21] <zizban> both it all depends
[17:46:27] <janrinok> zizban: does most of your work involve one-on-one training or small groups?
[17:45:45] <janrinok> I love having a slurp of the wine while I'm cooking!
[17:35:46] <janrinok> back to the kitchen again....
[17:35:09] <zizban> Not a problem
[17:34:54] <janrinok> zizban - just to explain. My wife is disabled and I have to take care of her, so sometimes I just have to leave the kbd without saying bye. If that happens, please don't be offended but she comes before SN - I know, you find it hard to believe, but I have something more important than SN in my life. :-)
[17:31:53] <janrinok> back to the kitchen - still lurking.....
[17:31:51] <zizban> cool
[17:31:14] <janrinok> Finish the edit by pressing update - and the colour coding will change automatically.
[17:31:13] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 9
[17:31:13] <Bytram> janrinok++ excellent advice!
[17:30:46] <janrinok> To check a story. enter the editor as usual, check the links and that the content is OK. If there is something that _must_ be changed then change it - no matter who the original editor was/is. If there is something contentious and the story is not due out for a while, try to contact the origina ed and check if he is aware or if he wants to change it him/herself.
[17:29:01] <zizban> Gotcha
[17:28:43] <janrinok> zizban: one of the first tasks that an editor _should_ do when logging on is check the story list to see if there are any stories needing 2nd ed'ing. If they have already been released, then don't bother but you will often find that the next story out hasn't been checked.
[17:27:42] <Bytram> You're welcme!!!
[17:27:29] <janrinok> Bytram: thx.
[17:25:22] <Bytram> janrinok: au contraire, the wiki was MOST helpful!
[17:25:16] <janrinok> back in a few mins
[17:24:54] <janrinok> It was the best that I could do, but if you have any suggested edits, then put them in there.
[17:24:41] <zizban> heh
[17:24:19] <janrinok> Yeah - the wiki only make sense when you no longer need to read it!
[17:24:02] <zizban> I've read the wiki a couple of times and will again after my mind is unfogged ;)
[17:23:49] <janrinok> np
[17:23:44] <zizban> OK
[17:23:36] <janrinok> but, that is the colour-coding (or color-coding for you) in a nutshell
[17:23:01] <janrinok> I suggest that you re-read the bit in the wiki about editing, because there are a few gotchas with the pages that pops up, and it explains the potential problems there.
[17:22:31] <zizban> sounds good to me
[17:22:23] <zizban> ah OK I got it
[17:22:10] <janrinok> If you post a story and there is no-one else to check it, it will still go out, but we prefer, where possible, the 2nd pair of eyes to avoid mistakes and to check for content. It is stop anyone abusing the system. But, at times, the story must go out unchecked.
[17:20:53] <janrinok> grey means it is not 'Displayed' i.e. it will never release.
[17:20:36] <janrinok> When the 2nd ed has checked it, it will turn green.
[17:20:22] <janrinok> When you save a story it will show in yellow to you, and red to every other ed. That means that only one ed has seen it. We prefer all stories to have 2 eds look at them.
[17:19:50] <zizban> got it
[17:19:48] <zizban> story list
[17:19:44] <zizban> I dont know its formal name
[17:19:42] <janrinok> Ah ok - the story list.
[17:19:29] <zizban> when you click save and it shows that list of stories
[17:19:18] <zizban> Is world-famous the correct usage?
[17:19:09] <janrinok> zizban: what is the admin list that you are talking about?
[17:18:12] <Bytram> looks good. Only changed one thing: "world famous" to "world-famous".
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[17:14:19] <zizban> Thanks!
[17:14:17] * Bytram also takes a look at the story queue
[17:14:12] * Bytram hopes zizban feels better soon!
[17:13:52] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4479, owned by Anonymous Coward (4479)
[17:13:52] <Bytram> !uid
[17:11:55] * zizban pops a cold med
[17:11:49] <zizban> Okay drone story done with the odd timing
[17:11:40] <zizban> Okay
[17:11:17] <Bytram> I don't know, exactly. I kind of got an idea from repeated exposure. :/
[17:10:08] <zizban> What do the different colors in the admin list mean?
[17:09:01] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4478, owned by AnonymousCoward (4478)
[17:09:01] <Bytram> !uid
[17:08:44] <zizban> Ha! I'll channel my inner Alan Parsons Project
[17:07:17] <zizban> I got the drone story cleaned up. I just need a clever department
[17:03:27] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4477, owned by SDRefugee
[17:03:27] <Bytram> !uid
[17:03:01] <zizban> Thanks!
[17:02:08] <Bytram> that's a challenging job. I'm impressed!
[17:01:05] <zizban> www.cipworldwide.org
[17:01:01] <zizban> Teach at a post secondary school for autistic students
[17:00:41] <Bytram> if you don't mind my asking, what do you teach?
[17:00:08] <zizban> I got a cold from a student. Little virus factories
[16:58:43] <janrinok> OK, as you wish. You OK?
[16:58:27] <zizban> Okay I may try one more before taking cold meds and zoning out
[16:57:57] <janrinok> zizban: I've got to go for a while - if you want to try one or two more stories then feel free, I'll lurk but don't expect an immediate response from me, and I will check them in a while if you wish.
[16:56:56] <zizban> lol
[16:56:29] <janrinok> ....even though we are all stumbling around in the dark most of the time.
[16:55:48] <janrinok> I've probably let quite a few past me too - but I like to sound as though I know what I'm doing...
[16:55:31] <zizban> Yes joy joy
[16:55:20] <Bytram> speak for yourself; I've been bit before by that one. Probably will again, too. :/
[16:54:49] <janrinok> But as the guide says 'Check all links before editing', _we_ wouldn't get caught out like that, would we?
[16:54:17] <Bytram> hmmm,
[16:54:14] <janrinok> yeah, that one too!
[16:53:59] <janrinok> I love finding little bugs like that!
[16:53:57] <Bytram> 2.) If there is a space in the nickname, e.g. "Foo Bar", it creates a link to ".../~FooBar/" but it SHOULD be "~/Foo+Bar/"
[16:53:45] <janrinok> it only gives a 404 if you click it - (I must admit I tried just for a laugh...)
[16:53:15] <zizban> It seems annoying but non terrible
[16:52:53] <janrinok> Yeah, I've noticed that but I don't think it will break anything....
[16:52:47] <zizban> Oh lol
[16:52:34] <Bytram> 1.) It creates a link for "Anonymous Coward" which really doesn't have a home page. :/
[16:52:32] <zizban> uh...
[16:52:15] <Bytram> the code which automagically includes the byline has a couple problems.
[16:52:11] <zizban> Yes?
[16:51:59] <Bytram> Oh, and a heads up to both of you...
[16:51:55] <janrinok> cu Bytram
[16:51:48] <zizban> cya later
[16:51:46] <janrinok> ok, but I have other things to do in about 10-15 minutes
[16:51:37] <Bytram> I need to step away for a bit and take a shower and all that.
[16:51:27] <Bytram> janrinok: actually, your timing is perfect.
[16:51:21] <zizban> Its released so you need not leave
[16:51:13] <Bytram> zizban: not so much a goal, per se. Just try to keep something coming every 90 minutes or so; more like every 2 hours on weekends... but that depends on how much is in the queue.
[16:51:13] <zizban> Its OK
[16:51:01] <janrinok> I'll leave you (both) alone for a while - I only jumped on because I wasn't sure if zizban had realised that his story was not released and I didn't know if he had any help to hand. Had I known that Bytram was also on, I'd have shut up!
[16:49:58] <zizban> How many stories do we post a day? Is there a goal?
[16:49:16] <zizban> That works
[16:49:15] <Bytram> still mess up now and again, but I feel pretty confident most of the time, now.
[16:49:07] <janrinok> zizban: we try not to use the obvious timings like on the hour and half hour - it makes it too predictable. Pick the right time spacing and then play with the minutes (and seconds) to make it slightly different.
[16:48:49] <Bytram> yup. I felt the same way.
[16:48:30] <zizban> a lot of little things to keep an eye out for
[16:48:25] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[16:48:25] <Bytram> !woop
[16:48:21] <zizban> thanks, all
[16:48:20] <Bytram> !wooop
[16:48:17] <Bytram> looks good! Well Done!!!
[16:48:16] <zizban> yeah!
[16:48:11] <janrinok> Yeah - good to go!
[16:47:47] * Bytram refreshes the queue
[16:47:42] <zizban> 19:19 is oddly specific :)
[16:47:36] <zizban> Okay, put it and I checked display
[16:47:34] * Bytram likes to use randomly "fun" times. 19:19:19 for the giggles
[16:46:57] <zizban> Not a problem
[16:46:50] <janrinok> Bytram: zizban: hi to both of you - sry to be rude and jumping in like that....
[16:46:40] <zizban> Okay 19:19 looks good
[16:46:25] <janrinok> Bytram's suggestion is a good one.
[16:46:23] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 8
[16:46:23] <Bytram> janrinok++ right you are. Good to "see" you!
[16:46:03] <janrinok> and we should be looking for at least 90 minutes timing at weekends - there are not many subs in the queue
[16:45:52] <Bytram> I'd suggest changing the time to be, say, 19:19
[16:45:47] <zizban> Okay let me get my UTC clock up
[16:45:21] <Bytram> from looking at the story queue,
[16:45:13] <Bytram> in this case,
[16:45:11] <Bytram> just type in that field and change the values to what you want them to be...
[16:45:08] <janrinok> Your story is not for release is there a reason?
[16:45:04] <zizban> I am working on my first story to appear
[16:44:54] <zizban> Yes
[16:44:51] <janrinok> zizban: are you around?
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[16:44:41] <zizban> Ah yes
[16:44:27] <Bytram> the time should be "14:41"
[16:44:11] <Bytram> do you see the date/time field?
[16:44:00] <Bytram> cool
[16:43:55] <zizban> Okay one thing at a time. I see the display check box
[16:43:53] <Bytram> there's a text-entry box in that are which shows the date and time (in UTC) of when the story is scheduled for release.
[16:43:28] <Bytram> see where the "Display" check box is?
[16:43:19] <Bytram> as for the date/time of release...
[16:43:10] <Bytram> I suggested as a possible dept: what-we-don't-know-they-know-may-hurt-us
[16:43:01] <Bytram> two things going on at once. :/
[16:42:45] <zizban> oh?
[16:42:24] <Bytram> oh, yes.
[16:42:20] <Bytram> ??
[16:42:15] <Bytram> what-we-don't-know-they-know-may-hurt-us
[16:41:59] <zizban> Is there a way to set the time it goes on?
[16:41:24] <zizban> lol
[16:41:20] <zizban> I did rise-of-the-machines
[16:40:56] <Bytram> eh, meh.
[16:40:41] <Bytram> from the we-don't-need-no-steenkin-web-sniffers dept
[16:40:08] <Bytram> at this point, it's good to check the story queue and try to not have a story drop in "on top of" others that are already scheduled to go out.
[16:39:49] <zizban> cool
[16:39:48] <zizban> ah
[16:39:36] <Bytram> btw, the default date/time for a story to go live is about 30 minutes or so from the time the "Display" checkbox appears.
[16:39:28] <zizban> Needs a department..let me think of one :)
[16:39:09] <zizban> Looks good
[16:37:32] <zizban> OK
[16:37:27] <Bytram> zizban: story updated; go ahead!
[16:35:07] * zizban bows
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[16:35:00] <zizban> Oh you first, sir
[16:34:49] <Bytram> zizban: oh, oh. I'm editing the story right now, too. =)
[16:34:25] <zizban> OK lemme look.
[16:34:18] <zizban> Broke up a long sentence.
[16:33:43] <Bytram> I try to use something from the title of the target of the link, instead.
[16:33:23] <Bytram> okay, and one other thing that I try to avoid is having the description of a link being things like "here"...
[16:30:57] <zizban> OK
[16:30:48] <Bytram> zizban: well done! I'd break up one of the longer sentences into two... brb (be right back)
[16:29:15] <zizban> ah okay
[16:29:11] <Bytram> there probably is, but I haven't found it, yet.
[16:29:10] <zizban> For future reference :)
[16:28:48] <zizban> After working on a story, do you always save it? When I do, it goes into admin. Is there a way to keep it in the submission que?
[16:27:57] <Bytram> at the speed of light, one could take a lap around the earth, at the equator, in 37 microseconds.
[16:26:16] <Bytram> good thinking
[16:25:57] <zizban> I didn't check display in case someone wants to look at it
[16:25:45] <Bytram> ok
[16:25:43] <Bytram> at the speed of light, one could take a lap around the earth at the equator in lemme see...
[16:25:31] <zizban> I think the machine learning one is ready to go. I worked on it and saved it.
[16:24:49] <zizban> That's a long time.
[16:24:39] <Bytram> distance from earth to titan in light-minutes = 76.09
[16:24:28] <zizban> I think I got it.
[16:24:24] <zizban> I am formatting the machine learning article to give it a hook.
[16:23:37] <Bytram> hmm, try it! =)
[16:23:02] <Bytram> distance from earth to moon is 237218 miles (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=distance+from+earth+to+moon)
[16:22:47] <zizban> its <blockquote> isn't it?
[16:22:38] <zizban> Ya
[16:22:29] <Bytram> intend? you mean "indent"
[16:22:04] <zizban> Hey, how do you intend a paragraph? I guess turn it into a text block?
[16:22:00] <Bytram> circumference of earth at equator - 24,901 miles http://www.wolframalpha.com
[16:21:31] <zizban> That's a long way!
[16:20:49] <Bytram> cricumference of earth at equator = ~24,000 miles; distance to moon = ~250,000 miles; ==> distance to Titan = ~2 million round trips to the moon
[16:18:22] <zizban> Yes. Better than my lament about the Titan Mare explorer.
[16:18:02] <Bytram> how mind-boggling BIG distances in space are
[16:17:33] <zizban> I thought of one as well. You first
[16:17:19] <Bytram> zizban: cool. I think I have a "hook" for the story... give me a minute or two
[16:15:26] <zizban> I see it now. Stupid refresh
[16:13:17] <zizban> I dont see the Titan story. I do see the spit powered generator lol
[16:12:21] <zizban> Lemme look
[16:12:15] <zizban> A hook? Hmmm...
[16:09:55] * Bytram is now working on an Android story to submit.
[16:09:40] <Bytram> btw, the story queue looked a little "light" so I put up a story on Saturn's moon Titan; nice to read but doesn't have much to encourage commenting... needs a "hook"
[16:08:10] <Bytram> Fleetwood Mac, Led Zep, J Guiles Band, Loggins & Massina, Emerson Lake and Palmer, Boston are some memorable groups that come to mind
[16:06:41] <zizban> Yes!
[16:05:35] <Bytram> ahhh, back when rock was *good*!
[16:04:13] <zizban> I am streaming 80's music on sky.fm
[16:03:13] * Bytram now has Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall" song running through his head!
[16:01:46] <zizban> heh!
[16:00:39] <Bytram> some of my off-the-cuff comments are more like off-the-wall ;)
[15:59:56] <zizban> heh
[15:59:15] <Bytram> it's nice to share!
[15:59:09] <Bytram> LOL!
[15:59:03] <zizban> I will on Monday
[15:58:58] <Bytram> what do you teach?
[15:58:28] <Bytram> give it back!
[15:58:18] <zizban> Nah, more like, oh, fine, except for this cold a student gave me :/
[15:57:43] <Bytram> of 'coarse' ? ;)
[15:57:28] <zizban> Oh fine.
[15:56:23] <Bytram> zizban: Hi ziz! How's things?
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[09:58:42] <Azrael> Was going to ask is a quote within a title should be left as normal case or not... I decided not.(i.e. http://soylentnews.org)
[09:57:49] <Azrael> paulej72: was too late :D
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[02:29:14] <paulej72> Azrael: not sure if you are still on but I may be able to help