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[21:44:43] <janrinok> and you, cheers.
[21:44:22] <n1_> have a good evening, janrinok and take care :)
[21:44:11] <n1_> I should be around, i'll be posting some stories for overnight i hope.
[21:43:38] <janrinok> Well, that's me done for today - and it's not even 10 o'clock. If the wife sleeps well I could get a good nights sleep tonight. Sorry to cut the conversation short, but such opportunities are rare. cu tomorrow?
[21:42:26] <n1_> he's offered me to do it as well, but i'd rather labour on a building site.
[21:42:03] <n1_> but he has to do most of the hard work himself and for several businesses
[21:41:52] <n1_> me either, he employs a couple of people to do it for our business and he has other clients
[21:41:13] <janrinok> Yes, I can see that, but it's not a job that appeals to me.....
[21:40:31] <n1_> i couldn't do it without him doing that side of it, it's just too much
[21:40:09] <janrinok> I'd prefer your job....:)
[21:39:59] <n1_> and a couple people i use as subcontractors when the work requires
[21:39:45] <n1_> i have a business partner that does the maths/tax, government regulation and answers the phone
[21:39:03] <janrinok> Do you employ anyone else or are you a one-man-band?
[21:38:08] <n1_> unless that success is only defined by the numbers and not sustainability and ethics
[21:37:52] <n1_> im confident in my business and what we're doing, but it's a long road to actually being a 'success'
[21:36:43] <n1_> things are better
[21:36:29] <n1_> from a different perspective of me just trying to get work and compete in the market, which i'd already been doing
[21:36:26] <janrinok> Are things better now than 3 years ago, worse, or just different?
[21:35:39] <n1_> these last 3 years have shown me a lot about 'business'
[21:32:51] <janrinok> yeah, I can understand that.
[21:32:34] <n1_> and a lot of it is 'internal' stuff, all these companies interlink through the parent company.
[21:31:38] <n1_> for them, it's easy through the credit accounts and vast quantities of stock
[21:31:18] <n1_> they run on the multinationals buying hundreds of thousands worth a month
[21:31:07] <n1_> it's scale all around, me spending a few hundred to thousands on each transaction is shit, i'm a rounding error
[21:30:07] <janrinok> makes you wonder how they stay in business if they are inefficient. Although they have the benefits of scale to keep prices rock bottom for themselves.
[21:29:53] <n1_> i try to get things from elsewhere, but it comes down to cost, and for the time it takes, it's usually worth the savings
[21:29:05] <n1_> monopolies
[21:29:02] <n1_> they're the biggest in the industry, they deal with the other sides of biggest in the industry
[21:28:41] <janrinok> not gone yet....
[21:28:28] <n1_> I hope you have a good evening, janrinok :)
[21:28:08] <janrinok> Surely companies like that will go out of business?
[21:27:54] <janrinok> I'm going to edit one more, and then call it a day - its been a long one for my wife and I. She needed a bit more support than usual so I'll try to get an early night.
[21:27:07] <n1_> because they're operating like it's 1985 still
[21:27:00] <n1_> and it usually takes half an hour, even if the counter has no one else waiting
[21:26:23] <n1_> but if there's what you need in stock there, psh
[21:26:16] <n1_> they have trade counters
[21:26:01] <n1_> with*
[21:25:53] <n1_> and then a month later, when you have forgotten about it... they send you a pack in the post will all the paperwork
[21:25:31] <janrinok> is that just because they can save on having a shop or whatever?
[21:25:27] <n1_> but it usually takes an online order and then 3 phonecalls
[21:24:48] <n1_> and the prices are A LOT cheaper online
[21:24:45] <janrinok> lol
[21:24:38] <n1_> so, call up to pay... but its the only way for them to not fuck up the order
[21:24:23] <n1_> and it always gets rejected because we dont have a credit account
[21:24:14] <n1_> its great fun, one of the main distributors, i order from online
[21:23:24] <n1_> customer deposists cover the majority and any extra goes on the card
[21:23:21] <janrinok> well you always know where you stand that way - and exactly how much you have to play with.
[21:22:49] <n1_> the 'industry' operates on credit, but i always prefer to pay the suppliers up front
[21:22:08] <n1_> it's a weird one with the credit
[21:21:40] <n1_> the costs are one thing, but a ltd company is the best way forward, hopefully there will be two in the coming months, due to another venture in a different industry.
[21:21:32] <janrinok> That's perfectly normal, if people paid bills as soon as you presented them, but you could buy your materials sale or return then perhaps credit wouldn't be necessary - but neither of those is going to happen!
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[21:20:15] <n1_> without*
[21:20:05] <n1_> the only access to credit i have is actually through the company, i don't have a personal credit card but we're literally unable to operate with some credit
[21:19:38] <janrinok> even safer - well, relatively so
[21:19:24] <n1_> ltd company
[21:19:15] <janrinok> well it seems safer that way. Are you a sole trader, ltd company or what?
[21:17:49] <n1_> on the work front, i'm debt averse, which from what i see is very unusual for business.
[21:16:30] <janrinok> thx
[21:16:17] <n1_> wb
[21:12:45] <janrinok> back now
[21:05:18] <n1_> ok
[21:05:15] <janrinok> brb 5
[21:04:28] <janrinok> lol, prob not
[21:04:17] <n1_> as you cant use a phone when driving, i dont think editing stories would be acceptable
[21:03:24] <n1_> and when im on the road i just dont have time
[21:03:19] <n1_> but when im spending all day reading and writing stuff, editing just makes me go blah.
[21:03:14] <janrinok> I know exactly what you mean!
[21:02:53] <n1_> there's always stuff i should be doing, doing some editing is a bit of a break from that really
[21:02:21] <janrinok> akthough your problem sounds the opposite
[21:01:22] <janrinok> Well, if you've got too much on, just say. We can manage for a day or two.
[21:00:51] <n1_> trying to keep up with the pace heh, i'm intending to do some later tonight
[20:59:57] <janrinok> I see you've already posted a few stories today
[20:59:52] <n1_> it always seems to be in cycles, things are a struggle for a while and then everything happens and i don't have enough time to take on all the work.
[20:59:11] <n1_> it's all good really, just frustrating
[20:58:23] <janrinok> anything I can do to cheer you up?
[20:58:01] <n1_> things could be worse, but not where i expected to be right now.
[20:57:49] <n1_> lots of time and resources spent, little money earned overall. ive been looking at other opportunities but i keep coming up against a wall and lacking funding to really pull anything off properly.
[20:57:02] <janrinok> sry to hear that, hope things pick up for you.
[20:56:40] <n1_> not enough really, been doing a lot of work over the last month on upcoming projects which have nearly all fallen through... but one does now seem to be back on, naturally with revised requirements. and it's also the least profitable.
[20:55:29] <janrinok> too much work?
[20:55:20] <n1_> stressed but just about coming round again
[20:54:13] <janrinok> not bad, and you?
[20:54:06] <n1_> how are things?
[20:53:08] <janrinok> n1 hi
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[20:30:49] <n1_> hey janrinok
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[17:08:26] <janrinok> OK I'll be gone for a while but back in an hour or 2 - have a good breakfast
[17:08:02] <mrcoolbp> BRB
[17:08:01] <mrcoolbp> = )
[17:07:57] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: looks like I have a little lead time on that one though
[17:07:34] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: changed some wording http://soylentnews.org
[17:07:34] <mrcoolbp> probably
[17:07:20] <janrinok> So if I post faster than you can check them, does that mean you will go hungry?
[17:02:23] <janrinok> ..and more coffee
[17:00:51] <mrcoolbp> let me finish up this last red story and I'll get me some breakfast
[17:00:35] <mrcoolbp> = )
[17:00:01] <janrinok> thx np
[16:58:28] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: added a bunch of links: http://soylentnews.org
[16:51:42] <janrinok> not got quite the same ring to it, but can we get someone famous to play me?
[16:50:23] <janrinok> Following on from the 'Dirty Dozen', we proudly present 'The Unloved 7'
[16:49:32] * mrcoolbp needs to mess with his internal lameness filter
[16:49:18] <janrinok> lol
[16:49:15] <mrcoolbp> oh most likely
[16:49:02] * janrinok thinks that perhaps it mrcoolbp that they don't like.....
[16:48:37] * mrcoolbp edits another story
[16:48:06] <mrcoolbp> exactly
[16:47:49] <janrinok> When the join the editorial team and then criticise, then maybe I'll get a bit concerned. But I just try to learn from what they say, then forget it.
[16:46:46] <janrinok> I thought the cup of tea might have given it away...
[16:46:27] <janrinok> it's ok - I wasn't being serious!
[16:46:21] <mrcoolbp> the Khyber's of the world will always try to get under our skin
[16:46:05] <mrcoolbp> even so, random users will flame us eventually, we can't let it bother us
[16:45:43] <janrinok> lol
[16:45:35] <janrinok> tea's good though....
[16:45:34] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: absolutely not
[16:45:18] <janrinok> ....I bet you're just saying that.....
[16:44:26] <mrcoolbp> heh, janrinok! No one hates you.
[16:37:34] <janrinok> brb
[16:37:17] <janrinok> let me guess - it's me, isn't it? - they hate me, I know it, I'm going to leave and have another cup of tea.....
[16:36:35] <mrcoolbp> hrm
[16:34:26] <paulej72> for some users the authors to show are getting unchecked. a prefs reset fixes it for them, but 263 users have at least one author in the do not list var
[16:33:20] <paulej72> I think I figured out the home page not updatin issue
[16:29:46] <weeds> thank you
[16:26:47] <janrinok> Good to hear - I send her my best wishes for a speedy recovery.
[16:26:12] <weeds> She went to work yesterday - missed an entire week
[16:18:14] <janrinok> sry to hear about your daughter - is she still recovering or back to her previous self?
[16:17:58] <weeds> WHen the call went out for stories, I gave it a shot
[16:17:45] <weeds> Yes you did and I'm glad I can participate.
[16:17:23] <janrinok> (and I DID post your Turkey Hijacking Google etc story :p
[16:17:21] <weeds> Things have been busy. MY daughter is getting better (had mono)
[16:16:42] <weeds> ha ha! anyhow I didn't stop by to campaign. It's good to have a place to discuss.
[16:16:18] <janrinok> We'll apart from that, weeds, how's things lol
[16:15:33] <janrinok> Oh sorry misreading that - The Lexmark story is tagged as a similar story to yours! How the hell the computer came to that conclusion I haven't got a clue!
[16:14:22] <weeds> janrinok: OK, I can see that. it is definitely a US thing.
[16:13:54] <weeds> janrinok: Lexmark wasn't me...
[16:13:22] <janrinok> Ah that's is a US thing - we Brits wouldn't even understand that.
[16:12:55] <weeds> I would bet that a lot of members went to school on some sort of scholarship so there is a connection.
[16:12:15] <janrinok> And I printed your previous story about Lexmark!
[16:11:32] <janrinok> I send emails to my rejections nowadays - but having found it on your homepage, it's not exactly 'nerdish'; unless you are also a NRLB nerd...
[16:10:19] <weeds> Like I said, just bitching. I don't know who rejected it
[16:09:48] <weeds> No, I just saw today that it was rejected - been in for a week or so I think
[16:09:26] <janrinok> not one of mine...
[16:09:10] <weeds> THe other one was about some research done on how to cook bacon for minimal shrinkage.
[16:08:49] <janrinok> did I send you an email saying that I'd binned it?
[16:08:23] <weeds> Mine was about the Northwestern football players getting the right to unionize. I tried to connect it to university work in general and unions in general.
[16:08:15] <mrcoolbp> for double-check
[16:08:08] <mrcoolbp> janrinok, checking your stories now
[16:07:49] <janrinok> np - still haven't got a clue about which stories though...
[16:07:27] <weeds> Hi! (sorry about starting with a bitch)
[16:07:04] <janrinok> by the way - Hi weeds!
[16:05:26] <janrinok> weeds - I've haven't seen either story - what day are we talking about
[16:05:18] <mrcoolbp> weeds: your submission?
[16:04:53] <weeds> janrinok: Just stopped by to bitch... A story about bacon shrinkage makes it and a story about unions (which should get some discussion going) doesn't? - foo
[15:58:26] <janrinok> Just checking my emails now
[15:58:19] * mrcoolbp is super-excited to get this one off his plate
[15:58:04] <mrcoolbp> Nah I'm good though, looks like we can finally start this name-vote thing going!
[15:57:47] <janrinok> I'm good, I've only just got here myself - cup of tea in hand..
[15:57:27] <mrcoolbp> it's a brewin'
[15:56:56] <janrinok> I'll let you have your coffee then.....
[15:56:30] <mrcoolbp> and you = )
[15:56:24] <mrcoolbp> i woke up like 3 min ago. ask me acfter coffee
[15:56:01] <janrinok> how's things with you?
[15:55:51] <mrcoolbp> good morning
[15:54:00] <janrinok> hi mrcoolbp
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[15:53:47] <janrinok> hi guys
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[15:00:08] <weeds> Hello
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[13:03:42] <MrBluze> any editors?
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