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[23:17:53] <n1> well maybe not when i get called out for bad editing :p
[23:17:39] <n1> yeah i saw that, thanks :D
[23:15:58] <paulej72> I ran the job early
[23:15:36] <paulej72> n1 you are now showing up as an editor
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[22:41:27] <LaminatorX> Welcome aboard. :)
[22:41:17] <n1> take it easy
[22:41:14] <n1> awesome
[22:40:54] <LaminatorX> I have to run. There's a cron job that runs late at night that will cure your missing name.
[22:40:20] <LaminatorX> Here's the style page: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[22:37:39] <LaminatorX> Glad to share.
[22:37:23] <n1> thanks
[22:37:22] <n1> ok
[22:37:17] <LaminatorX> That is correct.
[22:37:09] <n1> so no second stop?
[22:36:41] <LaminatorX> It trips up IT folk all the time. It's not like strings in code. :)
[22:36:22] <n1> "words words word words." (.?) Next sentence
[22:36:16] <LaminatorX> I said, "like this."
[22:35:51] <n1> whats the appropriate punctuation if the sentence ends with a quote?
[22:30:25] <LaminatorX> I assumes as much. That's great.
[22:29:59] <n1> janrinok gave me a basic run down a little while ago
[22:29:56] <LaminatorX> Looks good. Everyone seems to be at first, there's a glitch in the permissions.
[22:29:38] <n1> im the editor with no name!
[22:29:31] <n1> yeah it is
[22:28:40] <LaminatorX> I see some new posting going on. Is that you n1?
[22:27:59] <n1> in about 20minutes
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[22:24:33] <bytram> oh. when should I look for it?
[22:22:52] <n1> asteroids was janrinoks
[22:22:44] <n1> if only, mines up next
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[22:03:01] <bytram> n1, your story just made it to the front page... looks good!
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[21:52:07] <bytram> janrinok, will do, thanks for the suggestion! take care!!!
[21:51:25] <janrinok> bytram: mention your willingness to do the odd story to LamX, I suspect you could be very useful for those odd occasions, or more if you wished.
[21:49:27] <n1> laters
[21:49:24] <janrinok> cheers all
[21:49:19] <janrinok> cul8r
[21:49:00] <n1> ok
[21:48:53] <janrinok> Yes
[21:48:49] <n1> but leave them unchecked?
[21:48:42] <n1> ok, i can do that
[21:48:26] <janrinok> Sub-list is only 21 now, so go down to 18 if you want to, n1
[21:47:38] <janrinok> if you want to sub a few more do so, make sure that they a UN-Displayed and I can release them later as I get time. Set them for about every 45-60 minutes or so until the sub list is down to 20.
[21:47:37] <n1> you're on the dev team, bytram?
[21:47:34] <bytram> even if I only move a few stories per week out of the queue and onto the main page, I'm sure it would help.
[21:47:14] <n1> and might give me an excuse to expand my monitor setup to make my editing more efficient :P
[21:46:51] <bytram> I learned quite a few tricks... I've been tempted to volunteer as a standby-editor
[21:46:18] <n1> it'll take me a while but i'm sure i'll get into the flow of it over the next few days
[21:46:02] <janrinok> bytram: thx, LamX does it better but I suspect he is busy at the moment.,
[21:45:31] <janrinok> Also check that the articles actually are what they say - not goatse or slashvertisement.
[21:45:30] <bytram> janrinok, it's been good to watch your 'tutorial'... thanks!
[21:45:25] <n1> take care :)
[21:45:15] <n1> thanks for all your help
[21:45:10] <n1> noted
[21:44:45] <janrinok> I'm going to have to call it a day for now. n1: you can always second ed any stories you see in the queue in future to check for the basics. What I try to do, in addition to the obvious, is click every link to make sure it works, and check the dates of each of the articles. You will be amazed at how many subs we get dated years ago as a spoof or troll.
[21:43:16] <bytram> would you like me to take a look at it?
[21:42:34] * bytram should have gotten a minor in astronomy
[21:42:27] <n1> variations/clones of asteroids were the first PC games i ever played
[21:42:21] <janrinok> n1, np on the content - one of the reasons we need more editors is because we need a wider breadth of knowledge in the team.
[21:42:07] <bytram> Oooh! I read about that one... Very Interesting!
[21:41:42] <n1> none that i saw, lots of sources and it was readable, although it goes over my head as i'm not all that versed in the solar system and such
[21:41:10] <janrinok> bytram: these are asteroids with rings....
[21:40:44] <bytram> I was never any good at that game. :/
[21:40:32] <janrinok> OK, that's fine - any problems?
[21:40:18] <n1> i just did the one about asteroids
[21:37:46] <janrinok> Just do the last one of mine
[21:37:30] <n1> lol
[21:37:24] <janrinok> OK, I'll second look at yours if you'll second look at mine, oh er....
[21:37:22] <bytram> n1, You sure catch on QUICKLY!
[21:37:04] <n1> and a story every hour for 24 hours can apply to all new editors after me :p
[21:36:51] <n1> done
[21:35:50] <bytram> LOL!
[21:35:46] <janrinok> OK, change it to Display
[21:35:27] <n1> janrinok, im happy with this story if you are
[21:35:27] <janrinok> bytram: No, I think that might be the best way to train someone....
[21:35:04] <n1> lol
[21:34:54] <bytram> just have n1 queue up a story for every hour for the next 24 hours... then we'll know for sure =) I kid, I kid!
[21:34:24] <paulej72> actually it hink ist is 0807 UTC if I remember correectly, the docs say run after midnight so I got that stuck in my head.
[21:33:35] <janrinok> bytram: I would think so
[21:33:30] <bytram> paulej72, nvm, i misread.
[21:33:04] <bytram> paulej72, that would be midnight... in UTC?
[21:32:36] <janrinok> paulej72: thx for that
[21:32:26] <janrinok> what is there is OK. Now the stage I sometimes forget. Ask yourself - is this a story that would attract my attention and, if not, why not?
[21:32:16] <paulej72> janrinok: I think it will be fixed once the task runs tonight, I just know that it is pulling that data from the author_cache table which has not been updated yet.
[21:30:04] <janrinok> ok hang on
[21:29:58] <n1> see what you think now, janrinok
[21:28:25] <bytram> you got it.
[21:28:15] <paulej72> by interesting you mean ass backwards I would aggree
[21:28:05] <janrinok> lolol
[21:28:00] * bytram thinks it reverts to the backstroke =)
[21:28:00] <janrinok> paulej72: or is his name in the DB but simply not displayed yet?
[21:27:39] <bytram> that's an "interesting" way to do it!
[21:27:28] <janrinok> paulej72: if it doesn't show his name, how will it find it during the crawl?
[21:26:49] <paulej72> It the authors table is built by crawling the DB looking at who has editted and who has autor bits
[21:26:37] <bytram> oh! THAT! thanks for the explanation!!!
[21:26:14] <janrinok> paulej72: thx, he got the editor 'bit' a few days ago but it seems the 'first use' bug has bitten him.
[21:26:11] <bytram> paulej72, refresh my memory? I'm not following you. :(
[21:26:00] <n1> i added the second sentence myself, but yeah, that makes sense
[21:25:32] <paulej72> bytram: it is not a bug, the database is only updated once a day around midnight EST
[21:24:31] <janrinok> As a suggestion - nothing more, its your story - I would reverse the order of the two sentences, and then make the new second say '..once these problems have been overcome' or somesuch.
[21:23:07] <janrinok> Secondly, the last para contains two sentences both talking about efficiency - but they seem at first reading to be contradictory. This is one of the areas where there is no right answer , just different ways of doing the same thing.
[21:22:57] <bytram> any chance I could get a link to the submission?
[21:22:04] <n1> yeah, i was in two minds, but that seems the right way
[21:21:46] <janrinok> Yep, we need to try to weave it in there even if it is only a simple 'Abstract here' link. Some of the nerds on this site will _only_ read that bit.
[21:21:41] <n1> could just link as, "the abstract of the paper can be found here"?
[21:21:06] <n1> but it didnt seem to add anything
[21:20:56] <n1> i found the abstract for the paper the story is about
[21:20:49] <janrinok> bytram: thx, appreciated.
[21:20:32] <janrinok> OK n1: the next thing that we always try to do is to go back as far as we can to the original source. The submitter of your story has done part of the job, but left a bit for you to do.
[21:20:20] <n1> thats what love is, i can very much relate to that sentiment
[21:20:08] <bytram> you're a VERY good man! It's a priviledge to have made your acquaintance!!!
[21:19:28] <janrinok> I'd rather have her as she is, than not have her at all.... bytram
[21:19:21] <n1> italics gone
[21:18:44] <bytram> you're a good man.
[21:18:31] <bytram> janrinok+ # Wow! Just. Plain. WOW!
[21:18:06] <janrinok> Oh, I've been doing this for more than 5 years now - I'm used to it!
[21:17:37] <bytram> yeah. I've been there. I took comfort that they were not in their right frame of mind... later on when things are more "normal" comes the "aha!" moment... hang in there!!!!!!
[21:17:33] <janrinok> n1 sure, we now move on to content rather than format, although the first comment is a bit of both. Slash has _kindly_ put some italics in your story, you need to remove them.
[21:16:40] <janrinok> she doesn't always see it that way bytram
[21:16:27] <n1> janrinok, any thoughts on the story?
[21:16:00] <bytram> it's hard. she's fortunate to have YOU caring for her!
[21:15:31] <janrinok> she's is back home today but needs quite a bit of care - I won't be here long. Thx for asking :0
[21:15:06] <janrinok> to say the least
[21:15:06] <bytram> janrinok, hi! how's your wife doing?
[21:15:06] <n1> no shit lol
[21:14:59] <bytram> the editor interface is, ummm, unusual!
[21:14:53] <janrinok> hi bytram
[21:14:41] <bytram> you got THAT right!
[21:14:27] <n1> he hasnt said anything on it yet, but if thats the biggest problem of the day, we're doing well
[21:13:50] <bytram> n1, I just saw you make contact with ncommander in staff; he'd know.
[21:12:59] <bytram> it's bitten both of Mrcoolbp and paulej72
[21:12:42] <n1> we shall find out, thanks for clarifying
[21:12:30] <bytram> well, I'm pretty sure it should. =)
[21:12:12] <n1> not that i mind, avoiding the backlash of my shitty editing :p
[21:12:00] <bytram> I've seen it happen twice... right.
[21:11:49] <n1> so it shouldnt happen on the next submission i do?
[21:11:06] <bytram> FYI: it's a known bug that the first time approval by an editor fails to use the editor's name.
[21:11:03] <n1> any thoughts?
[21:03:49] <n1> will do
[21:03:21] <janrinok> You need to switch to the staff channel, make contact with someone in sys, and see if they can find out why your name is not appearing in the author field.
[21:02:57] <n1> i'll change the time after you look
[21:02:38] <n1> Did some more editing on that one, take a look now and see if theres any problems
[20:55:06] <janrinok> n1: Looks like you have done one - change the time for about 2 hours from now
[20:42:26] <janrinok> np - there is more but we can cover that later.
[20:42:14] <n1> thanks for the help!
[20:42:04] <n1> cool
[20:42:00] <janrinok> I'll monitor here if you need any help
[20:41:46] <janrinok> your call
[20:41:44] <n1> i can give it a go
[20:41:41] <n1> i think i get it
[20:41:11] <janrinok> Any questions or do you want to give it a try?
[20:40:29] <janrinok> When you have finished you first attempt, save it in the story queue. _Make sure it is grey_
[20:39:51] <janrinok> by the way, thanks for checking my story!
[20:39:36] <janrinok> That was a very quick and dirty run through and there is a bit more to learn. But the best way of doing that is to jump in. Pick a submission, make sure that Display is unticked, set a time in say 6 hours time, and start working on it.
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[20:37:42] <janrinok> so the way I operate is how LamX recommended. For editing open a story window and a submissions window. Pick a sub to work on and open that in a third window. Do all your work there.
[20:36:58] <n1> duly noted
[20:36:41] <n1> i get it
[20:36:38] <n1> ah
[20:36:34] <janrinok> 2 stories, same content, released at the same time!
[20:36:19] <janrinok> BUT, if you had accidentally or intentionally refreshed the update window it would have put a second copy of the story into the story list!
[20:35:57] <n1> after you 'update' it takes you to a different 'stories' page?
[20:35:37] <janrinok> The other window was actually an update window and is _slightly_ modified
[20:35:25] <n1> ok, i opened a new tab and went back to the stories page
[20:35:05] <janrinok> You should now be in a normal story list window.
[20:34:50] <janrinok> At first glance, the 2 windows look the same but they are not.
[20:34:24] <n1> ok
[20:34:23] <janrinok> yep
[20:34:18] <n1> actually close the browser tab?
[20:33:56] <janrinok> There is a logic behind my apparently silly request
[20:33:33] <janrinok> ...and open another story window
[20:33:08] <janrinok> good now close the window that appeared
[20:33:04] <n1> now it's green at the top of the list
[20:32:51] <n1> i hit update
[20:32:48] <n1> heh
[20:32:47] <n1> yup
[20:32:21] <janrinok> Don't worry, whatever you choose will be wrong for a small number of the community who will let you know loudly that they think that you are wrong, should be fired immediately, and/or burned as a witch.
[20:31:30] <n1> DAMN YOU ENGLISH LANGUAGE
[20:31:24] <n1> im changing lifecycle back, as it seems in the PLM context it is always used as one word
[20:31:13] <janrinok> Once you have seen the corrected version, you can press any 'update' button to enter it back into the story queue.
[20:30:12] <janrinok> yep
[20:30:08] <n1> all preview buttons do the same thing?
[20:29:49] <janrinok> If you press the 'preview' button - there are several - you should see the corrected version again
[20:29:39] <n1> now im wondering what that something else was :p
[20:29:19] <janrinok> ah OK, I was going to show you something else but that will do for now
[20:29:00] <n1> done, also put a space in lifecycle
[20:28:00] <janrinok> Find the 2 Siemens words in the last para and correct them to both read Siemens'
[20:27:17] <janrinok> the slash submissions page automatically formats the submission into something abominable! We are having it changed but, for the time being, it is a manual correction process.
[20:26:26] <n1> its not always pretty
[20:26:21] <n1> yeah, ive seen when going through the submissions
[20:25:56] <janrinok> Then you will see the story in html format - that is _not_ how it will arrive in the vast majority of cases.
[20:25:54] <n1> logical
[20:25:09] <janrinok> The second way that you can prevent a cock-up going live is to change the time for, say, 12 hours hence and thus give you time to sort out a fix for whatever problem you have created. 2nd method of avoiding embarrassment.
[20:24:33] <n1> ok, pretty easy for me then
[20:24:07] <janrinok> It is the time that the story will go out
[20:23:54] <janrinok> To the right of the Comments Enabled is a date/time. This is UTC - all slashcode works in UTC
[20:23:51] <n1> sure
[20:23:17] <janrinok> In our case - I hope that we know what is happening!
[20:22:55] <janrinok> That's one way of knowing that someone else is already working on that submission
[20:22:39] <n1> i see that
[20:22:26] <janrinok> Just to the right of the author field it will tell you that it is 100% matching with ...... followed by my name, I can currently see yours.
[20:22:14] <n1> of course
[20:21:36] <janrinok> Comments Enabled is usually selected and we don't change it, but there are times when someone like NCommander might wish to release something but not to garner comments from it
[20:20:35] <janrinok> The author field will be auto selected when you start with a new sub, or will have the original author if you are doing the second look.
[20:20:15] <n1> k
[20:20:00] <janrinok> page down a little further
[20:19:50] <n1> noted
[20:19:41] <janrinok> Do _not_ precede the Dept with the word 'the' - the slash code does that automatically.
[20:19:28] <n1> heh, yeah thats probably been my biggest concern, being witty.
[20:18:57] <janrinok> The Dept field will be blank on a new submission. You have to think of something witty or pithy to say here. I hate this field. But essentially place your appropriate Dept entry in lowercase, with each word separated by -
[20:17:53] <n1> yeah, i had a read of the style guide on the wiki that mrcoolbp was editing
[20:17:21] <janrinok> The title must be in Title Case - if you are not sure what that is use Wikipedia but essentially, most words are uppercase but not the/a/if etc
[20:16:37] <janrinok> Under all that we have the Title and Dept fields
[20:16:12] <janrinok> Currently we have News selected
[20:15:50] <janrinok> And then you can select one of several topics. We will look at them later.
[20:15:27] <janrinok> Currently you have to have a nexus selected - we only have one which is Main Page
[20:15:22] <n1> yup
[20:14:53] <janrinok> Leave the box ticked for now and look at the Topics below it
[20:14:45] <n1> good first lesson :)
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[20:14:07] <janrinok> Remember that - I didn't !!! - that is how you stop a cock-up from going live. If you untick that box, anything else can be recovered!
[20:13:25] <n1> right
[20:13:11] <janrinok> The first lesson is - if the Display is unticked the story will appear grey in the list, but more importantly, it will never release to the public!
[20:12:34] <n1> i do
[20:12:30] <janrinok> you should see preview / update / Display?
[20:12:11] <janrinok> page down a little
[20:11:51] <n1> yup
[20:11:42] <janrinok> You should now see the same story and underneath 2 possible similar stories - based on slash search software
[20:11:07] <n1> yup
[20:10:51] <n1> but otherwise it seems like a good story and nothing else is standing out
[20:10:48] <janrinok> OK, if you press the Edit button in the bottom left of the story window it will change into editing mode.
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[20:10:13] <n1> yeah
[20:10:09] <janrinok> Got you - so it should be Siemens'
[20:09:51] <n1> well, the company is called Siemens
[20:09:45] <n1> lifecycle is more common as life cycle too, according to my spell check and google search
[20:09:31] <janrinok> There are 2 Siemens and they should both be Siemen's - I think!
[20:08:48] <n1> the last sentence on the last paragraph should be Siemens not Siemen's
[20:04:46] <janrinok> In the story queue, look at the Siemens story. If you click on the title it will open it for you. Check the spelling and layout and see if there are any obvious problems. Don't close your window, just let me know when you have had a look
[20:04:44] <n1> i can see it in stories, no longer in submissions
[20:04:17] <n1> stories queue
[20:04:13] <n1> err
[20:04:02] <n1> i looked at it briefly, it's up in the submissions queue now
[20:03:25] <janrinok> I think that you are looking at the same submission that I have just edited - you had better close it which might cock up the submissions queue - seeing that I've just released it. Best you simply close the window.
[19:50:13] <n1> ok
[19:49:40] <janrinok> It'll be about 10 minutes or so.
[19:49:10] <janrinok> Once they have been checked by a 2nd ed, they turn green. The next story in the queue I will ask you to have a look at.
[19:48:31] <janrinok> Yeah, when you put a story in the queue, your own stories appear yellow and other people's stories appear red.
[19:47:35] <n1> grey = not publshing red = scheduled green = scheduled and confirmed by another/enough ed
[19:46:58] <n1> yeah i have
[19:45:28] <janrinok> n1 - have you looked at the submission queue and the story queue? Do you understand the colours on the story queue?
[19:42:27] <janrinok> The relaxing might be a bit optimistic, but I'll see what happens :)
[19:41:17] <n1> no problem, it's up to you, if you're really busy, do what you have to and take some time to relax!
[19:40:45] <janrinok> However, LamX does a far better job than I do at the training.
[19:40:03] <janrinok> I'll not be here too long tonight. I'll put out a few stories but I'm afraid that I have my handsful here. I'll give you a quick guide once I've put some stories into the queue.
[19:39:16] <n1> if you want to give me a run down on the how-to's of editing, i'm here. if you're busy thats fine, i'm not going anywhere today so i can wait for LamX
[19:38:50] <n1> thats good. tired and busy not ideal but to be expected
[19:36:44] <janrinok> I'm OK and my wife returned from a short stay in hospital about 3 hours ago. I'm busy, tired but pleased that she's home again.
[19:36:04] <n1> how are you?
[19:35:39] <n1> i havn't had any yet! i was absent yesterday as expected, havn't seen LamX around yet today
[19:34:26] <janrinok> n1 hi, how's the training going?
[19:33:58] <n1> hey janrinok
[19:31:45] <janrinok> hi guys
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[18:03:59] <stderr> As I said, I won't be back unless something changes in upper management...
[17:58:36] <n1> i hope they figure shit out in the somewhat clandestine world of SN dev+sysadmin and ask you back
[17:57:24] <n1> i wanted to be an editor, but i wasn't going to ask because i have other commitments, so i waited to be asked, and we all know where we stand
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[17:56:12] <n1> i think you made the right decision to step aside until someone works out what the fuck is going on
[17:55:14] <n1> :(
[17:54:45] <stderr> Support would have been nice, but all I asked for was a simple yes or no. :-/
[17:50:21] <n1> and if the support from the management isnt there either, i can see why you'd be disillusioned
[17:49:41] <n1> it's a thankless task in many ways, editing or dev, because the only feedback comes is when what you've done is wrong
[17:46:46] <n1> i totally understand, i've tried to make my position clear as far as my commitments as an editor. i want to see the site succeed and if i can help, i'm glad to.
[17:41:20] <stderr> I hope SoylentNews succeed. It just won't be with me on staff unless something changes in the upper management.
[17:39:18] <n1> good that you're still hanging around, hopefully things become a bit more organized as the project progresses
[17:36:07] <n1> I can certainly understand that, it's time and energy consuming and if you dont know where you stand on all this time and energy, it will only feel futile
[17:34:07] <stderr> Yeah, that's why I left. If the "leader" can't answer a simple question about whether someone is part of a team or not, after being asked four times and a long time to think about the answer (I waited more than 24 hours after asking the last time), I go far better things to do with my time than hang around this place. :-/
[17:33:12] <n1> its french everywhere, all the links seem to be in french?
[17:31:47] <n1> dont know what to say to that, internal politics are blah
[17:31:26] <stderr> http://soylentnews.org That submission would have been much better, if the quote had been translated.
[17:30:06] <n1> :-/
[17:29:57] <stderr> All four times, I asked NCommander...
[17:29:30] <n1> this is the problem of no one wanting to make decisions and no one knowing who can actually make the decisions?
[17:29:03] <n1> ah
[17:28:55] <stderr> I left after I had asked four times if I were part of SysAdmin or not and never got a clear answer...
[17:28:46] <n1> but...
[17:28:22] <stderr> Dev, trying to also become part of SysAdmin.
[17:27:20] <n1> were you editor or dev staff or what?
[17:26:34] <n1> i think we probably are, im just going on what janrinok has said
[17:25:27] <stderr> I thought all editors were allowed to think. :-) But I'm not on staff anymore, so what do I know?
[17:24:39] <n1> i havnt been given any direction/training so im just observing at the moment
[17:24:13] <n1> afaik LamX is the only one who has the official authority to delete subs
[17:23:39] <n1> i thought the XML one was going to be removed when i first saw it
[17:23:29] <stderr> They should probably just be removed.
[17:23:12] <stderr> They have.
[17:22:35] <n1> i think both of those submissions have been sitting for a while though
[17:22:25] <n1> i agree x2
[17:21:35] <stderr> http://soylentnews.org This doesn't seem to be relevant for SoylentNews...
[17:20:40] <stderr> http://soylentnews.org The submission is a very quick copy/paste, so the two links didn't get copied. But the blog it's linking to is from "21-Jan-2005 16:28 GMT "... It's not news at all...
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[15:15:13] <n1> morning/afternoon/evening
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[06:46:30] <mrcoolbp> good point
[06:45:59] <mattie_p> its good for me, anyway
[06:45:52] <mattie_p> anyway, things are under control for once, so we're not immediately needed all day every day
[06:43:23] <mrcoolbp> thanks mattie
[06:42:43] <mattie_p> I don't think you are, stepping up to edit is needed as well
[06:41:02] <mrcoolbp> honestly with all the "technical" people around, I feel useless a lot of the time
[06:39:57] <mattie_p> well, we're in no danger of shutting down, just in danger of people burning out
[06:39:37] <mrcoolbp> I should probably do that too
[06:38:49] <mattie_p> with all the technical work going on I've been refocusing on some other stuff, taking a slight break from the hectic work on here
[06:37:04] <mrcoolbp> Have you gotten to take a rest at all? (I was hoping to catch up with you a bit)
[06:36:25] <mrcoolbp> well my plan was to release that earlier as there is a 3 hour gap between last posted and next in que, so feel free to adjust that
[06:35:20] <mrcoolbp> 12 tabs on that window....
[06:35:03] <mrcoolbp> too many windows open, I have been using the last posted article on the main as a reference for UTC, apparently I had the Dwarf planet article open and thought it was the most recent posted
[06:33:48] <mattie_p> hah, could be
[06:33:30] <mrcoolbp> maybe I should stop editing for the night = )
[06:31:40] <mattie_p> also, I'm showing 2 hours until post ... you want to check the time again?
[06:30:42] <mrcoolbp> I'm aware, but you are checking post, I'll let you handle it
[06:30:05] <mattie_p> you can change the time, you know
[06:29:59] <mrcoolbp> 5
[06:29:50] <mrcoolbp> you have 6 minutes now = )
[06:29:40] <mrcoolbp> yes that
[06:29:11] <mrcoolbp> yeah, we need to reword as a follow up
[06:29:01] <mattie_p> we should link the previous story
[06:28:55] <mattie_p> or maybe just a follow up
[06:28:26] <mattie_p> also might be dupe? http://soylentnews.org
[06:27:50] <mattie_p> :)
[06:27:45] <mrcoolbp> oh
[06:27:37] <mattie_p> I did, you need to look at the edit window to see the latest updates due to all the caching we do
[06:27:02] <mrcoolbp> add a hyphen: "red-handed"
[06:26:02] <mattie_p> well, take a look at what I changed it too, see if you think it keeps the same message but a better tone?
[06:25:58] <mrcoolbp> or "future careers" or something
[06:25:29] <mrcoolbp> I mostly kept the submission in tact, "limit employees careers and destroy their lives" could be: "seriously affect employees careers" ?
[06:22:34] <mattie_p> trust me, I understand the sentiment, but it is a little over the top
[06:22:11] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[06:21:52] <mattie_p> for example "destroying lives"
[06:21:24] <mrcoolbp> thanks
[06:21:07] <mattie_p> its right up our alley, but I'm softening the tone slightly
[06:20:55] <mattie_p> some of it seems a little heavy handed.
[06:16:27] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p: "Newly unsealed docs in illegal wage-theft cartel"
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[05:01:01] <mrcoolbp> hopefully wikipedia links are okay for simple definitions (like the Astronomical Unit AU)
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