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[12:44:42] <Bytram> taking another break
[12:43:46] <Bytram> values, there, are given in THAT country's local currency -- Euro, Pound Sterling, Canadian Dollar, Australian Dollar, etc.
[12:42:41] <upstart> ^ 03PayPal Merchant Fees: Current Rates for all Merchant Accounts – PayPal US ( https://www.paypal.com )
[12:42:40] <Bytram> note: "fixed fee" links to: https://www.paypal.com
[12:42:21] <Bytram> Outside the U.S. a fee of 4.4% of the transaction amount plus a fixed fee based on the currency.
[12:42:08] <Bytram> In the U.S. a fee of 2.9% of the transaction amount plus a fixed fee based on the currency.
[12:41:51] <upstart> ^ 03PayPal Merchant Fees: Current Rates for all Merchant Accounts – PayPal US
[12:41:48] <Bytram> https://www.paypal.com
[12:32:01] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I'm not absolutely certain, but I think I found the thing in common which causes paypal to charge an extra $0.30 per transaction for a $20.00 subscription: residence_country != "US"
[11:23:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima go in search of breakfast n read a book
[11:18:49] <Bytram> biab
[11:18:42] <Bytram> ;)
[11:18:39] * Bytram orders express delivery of moist-towelettes for shipment to TMB to help alleviate 'back-of-house', ummm, 'issues'
[11:17:42] <Bytram> that'd work, too.
[11:17:30] * TheMightyBuzzard prefers taking mucinex and eating bowls of jalapenos
[11:17:19] <Bytram> break time
[11:17:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> knod knod
[11:16:34] * Bytram likes spicy hot-n-sour soup and spring rolls with chinese mustard to help clear his sinuses
[11:16:02] <Bytram> true, that... but one approach is a bit less uncomfortable than the other
[11:15:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you don't it'll last a whole week.
[11:15:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> near as i can tell, if you take care of yourself, drink lots of fluids, and get plenty of rest a cold is gonna last seven days.
[11:14:34] <Bytram> beg-o-meter updated; we are now at *approximately* $2850.13 out of $3000.00 -- 95.0% of goal
[11:13:26] * Bytram sends some extra-spicy chilli through the interwebs to TMB in hopes its consumption would help clear sinuses, etc.
[11:12:46] <Bytram> hope things clear up soon for ya
[11:12:44] <Bytram> I have a copy saved to my local hard disk, but would like to make it official... not a hurry, just don't want it to fall through the cracks, is all.
[11:10:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah. not just this moment though. still coughing up the morning lung.
[11:09:59] <Bytram> IOW, if the site goes sideways, we'd lose my changes... which I have tested and seem to work fine.
[11:09:31] <Bytram> gots a favor to ask of ya... I updated the recent_subs;admin;default template on prod using the template editor... would you be so kind as to copy that and make a proper update for the site from it?
[11:08:12] <Bytram> that would be good!
[11:07:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> once we get a proper treasurer we should do a State of the Wallet post.
[11:07:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[11:06:57] <Bytram> for now, my calcs should be close enough for reminder-to-subscribe purposes
[11:02:12] <Bytram> was about to re-update the beg-o-meter, until I saw the discrepancy
[11:01:54] <Bytram> nod nod
[11:00:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> we pulled in another $389 even since midnight utc on stripe. should be close to funded.
[10:59:01] <Bytram> and, apparently we gots lot more records, too. 941 vs 150, atm.
[10:58:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally, i'd rather keep it simple like the stripe_log.
[10:58:36] <Bytram> nod nod
[10:58:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya. different returned data necessitates different structure.
[10:58:07] <Bytram> more columns in paypal_log than in stripe_log
[10:57:29] <Bytram> on it.. THANKS!
[10:57:24] <Bytram> nod nod
[10:57:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> second verse, same as the first. just sub paypal for stripe.
[10:57:00] * Bytram self-flagelates with a wet noodle
[10:56:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> <Bytram> hmmm, where do we keep the replies from Stripe? I'm assuming it's prolly some kind of json structure?
[10:56:23] <Bytram> ummm, that is the data for *stripe* -- I was looking for data for *paypal*
[10:50:23] * Bytram goes to take a closer look
[10:50:13] <Bytram> Looks like it should be: stripe_log.raw_transaction
[10:48:33] <Bytram> Would that have the *raw* data/replies in it?
[10:47:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. stripe_log or some such. show tables like '%stripe%';
[10:43:16] <Bytram> hmmm, where do we keep the replies from Stripe? I'm assuming it's prolly some kind of json structure?
[10:42:24] <Bytram> btw, hope you are getting over your cold and feeling better. Allergy season is in full swing in my neck of the woods. :(
[10:41:45] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Appreciate the feedback... very much!
[10:33:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't have paypal access either. pj is the dev for that.
[10:21:03] <Bytram> unless somethng has changed over the past year or so? that's what I recall from the last discussion.
[10:20:25] <Bytram> now, I could drop one or several servers on Linode, but that's an entirely different kettle of fish.
[10:20:01] <Bytram> i do not have access to $ stuff for the site. I'd be happy with read-only access, but that is apparently not possible... for me to be able to see $amts, I'd also have to be given write access (IOW, I could take money out, etc.) DO NOT WANT that.
[10:18:37] <Bytram> hmmmph! :/
[10:18:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> mind you, you might be able to look on the control panel on the site and see why.
[10:17:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope. i looked when trying to set them up with subtypes like stripe is.
[10:16:58] <Bytram> there's gotta be something in their reply that distinguishes the different net charges as we cannot be the only ones in the entire world who are seeing different net amts for the same gross -- someone else would have reported the bug and they'd have fixed it by now.
[10:15:24] <Bytram> grrr.
[10:15:08] <Bytram> I cannot *calculate* the net amt, cause PP reports different NET based on something I cannot see on that page.
[10:14:33] <Bytram> I cannot trust the net amt, as we have historical data with incorrect values (cf spid == 655)
[10:13:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> possible. we've no way to find out but calling them and asking them though.
[10:12:59] <Bytram> Looks like we are being overcharged.
[10:12:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> they don't say
[10:12:33] <Bytram> both are PayPal trans, not BTC, both had gross of "$20.00", one is net "19.12" other is "18.82" -- why did they charge us more in one case than the other?
[10:12:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> it could have come either from a proper paypal account or just someone using their CC on the paypal button.
[10:11:54] <Bytram> now I'm really confused.
[10:11:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> and we can't tell if they did or not
[10:11:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> no... paypal processes cards as well
[10:11:18] * Bytram thought that, too
[10:11:09] <Bytram> nope, both are PayPal
[10:10:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably CC vs PayPal
[10:10:37] <Bytram> I just find it strange that the difference is $0.30 which is their per-trans fee.
[10:09:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's paypal. they DO report the net so you'll have to ask them.
[10:09:44] <Bytram> both have gross pmt of $10.00, net for 676 is showing "18.82", but for 675, is showing net of "19.12"
[10:08:58] <Bytram> compare spid: 676 with 675
[10:08:37] <Bytram> I'm seeing different net amts for same gross pmts
[10:08:20] <Bytram> )
[10:08:18] <Bytram> (Note: I've updated the template using the template editor, so is diffferent from what is in github
[10:08:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay
[10:08:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ...
[10:07:51] <upstart> ^ 03- SoylentNews User ( https://soylentnews.org )
[10:07:50] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Ima confused about the "Recent Subscription Payments" page... https://soylentnews.org
[10:07:16] <Bytram> blurgh...
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